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2007-11-29 17:32:52.0 50FCE16E-86DA-4839-E0440003BA414B7F wd60152 5:32 PM on 11/29/07 Does anyone have a reference to the article "You Can Grow Your Brain" which was mentioned in this report? 0
2007-11-29 21:43:14.0 50FCE16E-86D9-4839-E0440003BA414B7F mfidelman 9:43 PM on 11/29/07 I wonder if the same lessons apply to kids with learning disabilities. I.e., do kids who believe that their disability can be overcome by hard work do better than those who believe they're limited by their disability? 0
2007-11-30 00:26:47.0 50FCE16E-86D8-4839-E0440003BA414B7F A Future Scientist 12:26 AM on 11/30/07 This article says what to "believe" regarding intelligence. What I want to know is what the truth is. Is intelligence innate, learned, or a little bit of both? 0
2007-11-30 06:33:57.0 50FCE16E-86DB-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Singing 6:33 AM on 11/30/07 It is a very article. I am couraged. I ,an old student, is preparing test in order to apply the school. 0
2007-11-30 08:22:22.0 50FCE16E-86D7-4839-E0440003BA414B7F SDSquirrel 8:22 AM on 11/30/07 Well, it all seems to me to be about building resilience. So, IMHO, the next step is to encourage our educators to work with their students on tasks which foster creativity and ingenuity rather than just tasks which have a correct or incorrect answer. A willingness to work (effort), a love of learning (passion), and a desire to try things from different angles (ingenuity) - imagine a whole generation like that! 0
2007-11-30 14:39:25.0 50FCE16E-86C3-4839-E0440003BA414B7F gs_chandy 2:39 PM on 11/30/07 Excellent article! I wanted to attach a PowerPoint file that would present information about some useful tools that could provide significant confirmation of the author's thesis - that talents can be developed and 'grown', given attititudes that enable learning (and 'unlearning' of unproductive attitudes and behaviours). [Alas, I am informed that this kind of file is not allowed as as attachment, What to do?] --- GSC 0
2007-11-30 15:16:35.0 50FCE16E-86D6-4839-E0440003BA414B7F ganeshbrhills 3:16 PM on 11/30/07 Very useful article, especially for young parents. I wish to compliment the author, Carol. Ganesh B.R.HILLS, |South India 0
2007-12-01 18:53:06.0 50FCE16E-86E0-4839-E0440003BA414B7F kravisankar 6:53 PM on 12/01/07 Thanks a lot for an interesting and useful article. Very happy to be convinced that this conclusion comes from such a rigorous and methodical research study. Ravi K., South India 0
2007-12-02 05:56:44.0 50FCE16E-86DF-4839-E0440003BA414B7F AndrewBurkhart 5:56 AM on 12/02/07 I'm concerned this article is missing the point: The goal of the studies should show HOW mind set affects the brain, and how and why this translates into better performance, NOT how mindset translates to better perfomance. For exmaple, do beliefs entail unconcious visualizations that prime the pre-motor cortex... thus improving the abilitie of the student when doing homework? I think our knowledge of how effort affects performance is superficial at best. -- Edited by AndrewBurkhart at 12/01/2007 10:16 PM -- Edited by AndrewBurkhart at 12/01/2007 10:22 PM 0
2007-12-02 05:56:53.0 50FCE16E-86DE-4839-E0440003BA414B7F AndrewBurkhart 5:56 AM on 12/02/07 repost -- Edited by AndrewBurkhart at 12/01/2007 10:09 PM 0
2007-12-02 06:03:11.0 50FCE16E-86DD-4839-E0440003BA414B7F AndrewBurkhart 6:03 AM on 12/02/07 I would like to stimulate the author of this article more: what do these negative "mind-set" beliefs tell us about the functio nof beliefs? What are beliefs for? In individuals who have deficiencys in the region of the brain devoted to beliefs (not mentioned in the article) how does their mental aptitude stack up to other children? Moreover, what is "intelligence" in the first place? It's fun to think about the aspects of this article. The conclusion is if humans focus on effort rather than grades, they will get better grades because grades are a measure of performance. If this sounds like palty science, its because it is. Philosophers knew this in Ancient Greece 2,000 years ago... it says something about Humans and how they emphasize grades... an even more interesting question: Should our children be interested in Grades in the first place? On first glance, of course, but I don't believe this is true. The criteria for grades is not neccessarily effort, and the determination of the cirriculum could be completely arbitrary. By the end of my life, I doubt not, I will answer these questions. I don't want my children to be raised in the level of ignorance about these topics that we currently have. Update: I would like to add some more to this. The motivation behind noble achievements had nothing whatsoever to do with effort, it was for pure love of the subject. "The most important motive for work in the school and in life is the pleasure in work... In the awakening and strengthening of these psychological forces in the young man, I see the most important task given by the school." - Albert Einstein said this. Einstein dropped out of high school, failed his college entrace examination, retook high school classes, and then barely got by college through copying his friends notes. He was also turned down for numerous positions after writing his theory on relativity because he wasn't an academic when he revolutionized the world of physics. Isaac Newton was also a feeble minded student prior to living with a school master, his mother wanted him to be a farmer. Interestingly enough, a farmer seems to be the prime occupation for lovers of wisdom, because John Adams wanted to drop out of schsool to become a farmer as well. The point of mentioning this is these people went on to succeed because they loved what they did, and this was sparked by interest in the subject, not some superficial desire to get good grades or to blow up one's ego by focusng on effort. For some perspective - I ask that you not take offense to this - 300 years from now this magazine title will be forgotten, and so will all of its published articles. This article too, will not be remembered. What will be remembered will be the author's contribution (or lack theeof) to the study of how beliefs shape the brain... so we can understand what the heck is going on in order to understand more about ourselves. Your interest in how beliefs shape academic performance is a start, but that's like making the jump from the motion of the stars into the meaning behind them... that field was astrology.. and it was popular because we hadn't yet solved some of the primitive basics of planetary motion.. As a neuroscientist (which I reluctantly mention), we still know little about the collective workings of the cerebral cortex, we know the specifics of each part in depth, but what is all this jelly collectively doing? How is it all working together? Likewise.. what are beliefs.. and what Jelly is responsible for this? (I hope you reading my thoughts is as interesting as it was for me to think them ) -- Edited by AndrewBurkhart at 12/02/2007 1:17 AM 0
2007-12-03 08:00:18.0 50FCE16E-86E2-4839-E0440003BA414B7F spiralsun1 8:00 AM on 12/03/07 Having been in the field of psychology for many years, I noticed an error in this article. Intelligence, or IQ, is not the same as Intellectual skills per se (such as knowing formulas, techniques, facts). also, it is misleading to say that IQ is not fixed. It is one of the most stable testable features of human psychology we know of. It is amazingly stable throughout the lifetime. Intensive programs like "Head Start" programs produce small gains of 3-4 points, but they are temporary. IQ drops back within a few years to the level it would have been without those programs. Having said this, on the other hand, I always thought people emphasized IQ WAY too much. Motivation is WAY more important. We should not lie to kids and say IQ is malleable, but rather point out that there are plenty of smart folks without nobel prizes. Motivation is the key. "The Geography of thought" by Richard Nisbett, shows clearly that the Chinese have a higher ave. IQ but not matching science for a good reason. 0
2007-12-03 08:51:09.0 50FCE16E-86E1-4839-E0440003BA414B7F spiralsun1 8:51 AM on 12/03/07 I think Andrew hit it right on the money with this comment: "The point of mentioning this is these people went on to succeed because they loved what they did, and this was sparked by interest in the subject, not some superficial desire to get good grades or to blow up one's ego by focusng on effort." It's not all about the IQ. Intrinsic motivation, some ethereal vision or sense of the future which swells up from the subconscious propels us as westerners or something. We value truth-seeking naturally. teasing these factors apart, then trying to increase them with eugenics and training would bring untold treasures to mankind. 0
2007-12-03 16:10:27.0 50FCE16E-86CC-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Marie-Louise Oosthuysen 4:10 PM on 12/03/07 A very interesting article! This hits home hard as I have a few highly intelligent underachievers in my family who would make Bart Simpson green with envy! This article is obviously not the entire answer, but it does discuss a very important aspect of the equation. As a brain-based educator, I am interested in getting my hands on the 'Brainology' software - can someone point me in the right direction please? Marie-Louise Oosthuysen moosdegut@yahoo.com 0
2007-12-04 01:19:47.0 50FCE16E-86CB-4839-E0440003BA414B7F jaiagreen 1:19 AM on 12/04/07 The flip side of this article is figuring out why many kids seem to lose their natural growth mind-set. (Look at the nearest set of monkey bars to see that looking for challenges is natural for most kids.) Too many failures, and students stop trying. The JUMP method of teaching math uses graduated challenges to build confidence and, implicitly, the growth mind-set. Check out www.jumpmath.org . 0
2007-12-04 02:56:44.0 50FCE16E-86CA-4839-E0440003BA414B7F knv123 2:56 AM on 12/04/07 Wonderful gift for this Holiday Season...I am passing it on to all my contacts !! 0
2007-12-05 03:10:58.0 50FCE16E-86C9-4839-E0440003BA414B7F unmukt 3:10 AM on 12/05/07 Points rightly put. I will like to add in Hindi as ,?2A2 @ +0.>/>d 0
2007-12-08 23:48:24.0 50FCE16E-86C8-4839-E0440003BA414B7F DouglasEby 11:48 PM on 12/08/07 Another vulnerability, related to mind-set, can be impostor syndrome or feelings, which may persist even in the face of years of accomplishment. Jodie Foster is a recent recipient of the Sherry Lansing Leadership Award, but said, I always feel like something of an impostor. I dont know what Im doing. 0
2007-12-09 01:38:40.0 50FCE16E-86C7-4839-E0440003BA414B7F MP_doc 1:38 AM on 12/09/07 (For instance, many young athletes value talent more than hard work and have consequently become unteachable.) I hope there are other baseball fans out there. This translates: academically, I'd rather be a Pete Rose than a Barry Bonds. Correct? (I've been caught in this loop ,y whole life.) 0
2007-12-09 20:16:48.0 50FCE16E-86C6-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Subramanian 8:16 PM on 12/09/07 talent is first recognised by the individual and then the person takes action. Hard work follows the impression on the student that he/she is intelligent and is capable 0
2007-12-10 04:42:20.0 50FCE16E-86C5-4839-E0440003BA414B7F andhrizz 4:42 AM on 12/10/07 How true. I am a leader of a project where we are trying to make educated housewives who continuously say they are not talented like other working women. It is not the tools which we teach it is awareness of these concepts gave them faster results in becoming highly productive working women. 0
2007-12-10 09:44:09.0 50FCE16E-86C4-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Judy Dean 9:44 AM on 12/10/07 I truly have lived the concept of this article. I feel I have tremendous ability to tackle any problem my life/job throws at me. I often find more fun in the process of solution than the end point result. My parents always helped me "think" I could solve or accomplish anything, although my IQ may not indicate so. Thus, I am a happy, satisified person in my self, my relationships and my social community. This is very interesting and I reflect on my 30+ years of teaching and wish I had access to this article much much sooner. I will share and encourage this approach with the many teachers with whom I work. Thanks so much for providing a potential "higher road avenue" for so many kids that today seem "tuned out" to the fun and energy obtained from new learnings. Judy Dean, Craven County Schools 3600 Trent Road New Bern, N.C. 28560 0
2007-12-11 05:44:37.0 50FCE16E-86C1-4839-E0440003BA414B7F CarlCordova 5:44 AM on 12/11/07 The article makes a point for attitude change and ongoing coaching of children to engender the right attitude towards learning, Nature is over-rated. Self-esteem needs to be built on effort rather than innate abilities if any. 0
2007-12-11 23:42:43.0 50FCE16E-86C0-4839-E0440003BA414B7F chuck_rossier 11:42 PM on 12/11/07 As I was taught in numerous management courses, people have differing responses to the way they are treated. The trick is to determine the correct way to treat them. This does not include the joke about the man and the donkey that concludes you have to hit him over the head with a 2x4 to get his attention. Only someone who has absolute control over an individual can make absolute statements about how they think. A middle school "loser" can become a winner with the right approach by the teacher until external influences (peers, parents, coaches, other teachers, etc.) causes him/her to revert to being a "loser". This applies to any competitive activity especially competing for high grades. 0
2007-12-12 00:08:39.0 50FCE16E-86BF-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Roger Bryant 12:08 AM on 12/12/07 I suffered a stroke earlier this year and lost many abilities. I could not do crossword puzzles, lateral thinking disappeared. (I was a software engineer for 30 years). Nine months ago I would not have attempted to write a comment such as this. Using the growth-mind-set principle I now have re-built some of the broken neural pathways. While I still have trouble performing many of the tasks I used to, there is a gradual improvement. The growth mind-set principle has helped me a great deal. 0
2007-12-12 01:41:54.0 50FCE16E-86BE-4839-E0440003BA414B7F John in Camas 1:41 AM on 12/12/07 Confirming some ancient truths... captured in two morality tales from different cultures... The Hare and the Tortoise and... Forrest Gump -- Edited by John in Camas at 12/11/2007 5:49 PM 0
2007-12-12 02:52:58.0 50FCE16E-86E3-4839-E0440003BA414B7F amiabledave 2:52 AM on 12/12/07 Expelled at age 15 from school and told that I had inferior intelligence, I've spent my life vulnerable to failure, fearful of challenges and unwilling to remedy my shortcomings. What education I do have is mostly the result of constant and unremitting self-education. But I've never known much success in life. 0
2007-12-12 03:47:32.0 50FCE16E-86BD-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Ravi S Pandey 3:47 AM on 12/12/07 Effort to achieve is the process and achievement is the goal.When we are rewarding only the process,we are confusing process for goal.Such ideas look revolutionary but appear impractical in the long run and are not exactly in accordance with law of effect 0
2007-12-12 09:12:37.0 50FCE16E-86BC-4839-E0440003BA414B7F dvingalstian 9:12 AM on 12/12/07 a brilliant work! it inspired me to work harder and not to give up! thanks a lot! 0
2007-12-12 15:41:47.0 50FCE16E-86D1-4839-E0440003BA414B7F kimc242 3:41 PM on 12/12/07 Did this really need to take 30 years to uncover? I could have told you that in about 7 years just from my own dealings with my own children. When will all the science catch up with actual life and evolve? Why was it performed on actual children who had the horrible fixed mind sets have to suffer for the sake of science. When will science come out of the dark ages and realize it's own downfall like this example. Think of how many children who have been left in the cold so that 30 years of testing could be performed! I am an extremely progressive thinker and feel that the science industry is filled with fixed thinkers and that needs to be changed! 0
2007-12-12 16:00:04.0 50FCE16E-86D0-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Jim Lacey 4:00 PM on 12/12/07 Though the article provides an interesting perspective, when pushed too far intelligence as opposed to effort becomes a false dichotomy. As the director of an honors program for years, I came to believe that, granted a level of intelligence, motivation was the key to outstanding performance. Knowing that they are gifted or very intelligent did not harm motivated students, in my experience. 0
2007-12-12 17:09:46.0 50FCE16E-86CF-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Naraoia 5:09 PM on 12/12/07 I think the thing described in the article is partly what happened to me. I don't remember a time when I didn't know that I was extremely smart, people kept telling me so, family, teachers, schoolmates... though most of the latter not very benignly. As a highly insecure perfectionistic top student I don't think the situation is quite as simple as described here. (Although I can only speak from my own experience) Though I AM very sensitive to failure of any kind, this is part of the very motivation that keeps me performing well. Since I know how badly mistakes wound me I'm working hard not to make them. I do agree, though, that it's much better for one's psychological health if they have that other sort of motivation mentioned in the article. 0
2007-12-13 04:45:18.0 50FCE16E-86CE-4839-E0440003BA414B7F IBM Dunn 4:45 AM on 12/13/07 OR as Thomas Edison (a VERY smart person) once said, "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration." Success is best worked at throughout life. 0
2007-12-13 23:33:45.0 50FCE16E-86CD-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Gary Glaucon 11:33 PM on 12/13/07 Too many people are separated from reality in these postings. The authors continue the delusion that environment is more important than nature. To keep it simple consider this: IQ is a proven metric and correlated with school success. IQ with weak motivation will lead to less than expected success in school, but low IQ with greater motivation will still fall short. You should be encouraging your children to learn, but you aren't going to take a kid with a 100 IQ, send him to Harvard to study astrophysics, then have him find work at NASA. At the same time a kid with a 140 IQ may not fulfill the aforementioned scenario if he is an over indulged bum. Educators and parents need a reality check and keep their students focused on a goal that is attainable and that they find gratifying. 0
2007-12-14 15:09:30.0 50FCE16E-86BA-4839-E0440003BA414B7F uriel09 3:09 PM on 12/14/07 Nothing. -- Edited by uriel09 at 12/14/2007 7:39 AM 0
2007-12-14 15:12:30.0 50FCE16E-86B9-4839-E0440003BA414B7F nmugume 3:12 PM on 12/14/07 i think it should be two way. when one is affirmed of his unique abilities and shown that he can improve them by working harder, his achievements will be guaranteed. Nicholas Mugume Kampala Uganda 0
2007-12-15 16:02:17.0 50FCE16E-86BB-4839-E0440003BA414B7F rarchimedes 4:02 PM on 12/15/07 Children cannot be made to fit any one model nor even many models, only their own. At both ends of the spectrum the clearer effects of nature and nurture are to be found. Only in the middle is the greatest confusion of the two found, and that middle grows with the amount of effort that is put into the nurture. One must always seek to distinguish the effects of positive attention from the effects of any particular method of educating about anything. What we must guard against in this case is the idea that these children represent two sides of learning experience. Many children receive no encouragement and nor any idea that they may be able to accomplish anything, much less the idea that they are "smart". Presenting this as a spectrum against which to evaluate education as a whole is misguided at best. It certainly has some validity, at least at the anecdotal level, but I believe that more is needed before we declare this a means to improve education or life learning. When one considers how much is already directed to those who are regarded as gifted or talented or smart, one occasionally wonders why this area carries much importance. 0
2007-12-15 16:15:45.0 50FCE16E-86D4-4839-E0440003BA414B7F viewereader 4:15 PM on 12/15/07 the findings confirm my own experience and observations. barring rare exceptions, the most important factor in studies is hard work. 0
2007-12-15 17:07:19.0 50FCE16E-86D3-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Kris Merrells 5:07 PM on 12/15/07 It was a little eerie reading this article. I myself was always told what "potential" I had, and have yet to live up to it. My sister, who was a little bit slower than I to learn (though not -slow-), was encouraged early on about the quality of her effort over her results. I work in retail; she's a university grad near the top of her class. 0
2007-12-16 12:49:40.0 50FCE16E-86D2-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Amir Jafarzadeh 12:49 PM on 12/16/07 Smart author! That's correct. I will apply it in relation to my son, and even myself! 0
2007-12-17 03:41:08.0 50FCE16E-86B5-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Emmy77 3:41 AM on 12/17/07 Thank you very much for this wisdom. emmy irobi mediator in poland 0
2007-12-17 14:24:35.0 50FCE16E-86B4-4839-E0440003BA414B7F mlangdon 2:24 PM on 12/17/07 Interesting article, however, there are a few things worth mentioning. First, the Dr Dweck failed to mention that the work on Learned Helplessness actually led to cross cultural studies showing that a certain number of individuals are predispositioned to resilience, some to being helpless and most to learning helplessness. Secondly, I am a bit concerned with the use of controls. There was no mention of randomization and the students selected had "declining grades" wich indicates they were in the process of learning helplessness. What about those students whose grades are already low? Lastly, isn't there some inherent bias with developing a computer program. And doesn't sports provide some of these same benefits while at the same time providing health benefits? Remember, some of those dogs had to be dragged to show them they could get away. 0
2007-12-18 16:45:29.0 50FCE16E-86B1-4839-E0440003BA414B7F riam137 4:45 PM on 12/18/07 Suggest all take a look at this article:& http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/04/you_can_do_anyt.html My take is that it is a bad idea to lie about the reality of the world --- the reality is that you must have talent (e.g. IQ like Einstein, musical ability like Mozart, pro athletic skills for those who want to be the next Air Jordan, etc...etc&). The income stratification is a result of the economy becoming more efficient at identifying valuable talent (this is per former treasury secretary John Snow --- I agree with him). I was told as a young lad you can do anything you put your mind to, the quote from Edison about 1% Genus 99% perspiration, etc&, all the other propaganda. My own personal experience is that I was interested in Physical Chemistry, but alas I did not have the IQ to match and spent many years in College (they were more than willing to accept my money for tuition) wasting my time in the Phd program. I now have a relatively pointless middle income paying job unrelated to my degree or my interest (probably better than average, so I shouldnt complain too much). However, I should have considered the article that I have gave the link to at the top of this comment and become a Tax Attorney or something like that that would generate more income. Many would say but money wont buy happiness --- well, isnt that just more social propaganda like you can do anything you can put your mind to? 0
2007-12-19 17:28:02.0 50FCE16E-86DC-4839-E0440003BA414B7F AndrewBurkhart 5:28 PM on 12/19/07 For those interested in the inheritability of intelligence, V.S. Ramachandran's work on Synthestic patients (see colors in numbers, experiences tastes when touching shapes, etc) gives us an idea how creativity - and thus metaphors - arise. There hyperconnectivty between various sense regions in the brain (Insula and olfactory for example. Our capacity to interpret aphorisms comes from the angular gyrus. This is where the temporal, parietal, and occiptal lobes meet). All people are synesthetic to some degree, but what's really interesting is the arbitrary factors involved in this phenomonen. And this arbitrariness also relates to our testing of intelligence. English speakers can listen to the words for birds and fish in the language of an African tribe and correctly guess which is which. But the distinction is based solely on hearing, patterns of hair cell activation, with vision, photons hitting the retina. There is no "real" connection between these two categories whatsoever, yet this capacity to mingle senses is what we test our children on and view as important. Some people are more disposed to this "syndrome" than others. Patients can suffer strokes and become incredibly artistic and musical. Savants who seem slow to everyone can amaze us with their math ability What needs to be explored to understand intelligence and growth mindset are the pathways involved in "growth mindset motor behaviors" (doing homework perhaps) and positive thoughts. How do these regions interact to account for children working hard at studying? Without looking at things from this perspective, at the cellular level, we're missing the point. These cellular interactions drive our behavior - not some transcendental "mindset". I don't even now what that means! -- Edited by AndrewBurkhart at 12/19/2007 9:34 AM 0
2007-12-20 03:36:03.0 50FCE16E-86B3-4839-E0440003BA414B7F mlangdon 3:36 AM on 12/20/07 I find the comments more interesting than the article. Especially those whose own personal anecdotes cloud their judgment (not very scientific). There has been A LOT of research on how important "deliberate practice" is. So, maybe you practiced and never made it. That's because it takes at least 10 years. These aren't guesses these are empirically based scientific studies. In fact there was a study of professional footballers and found a correlation between birth dates and cut off dates for the youth leagues. If you wish to learn more get a copy of the Cambridge Handbook of Expertise and Expert Behavior. It even has a chapter on the changes that occur in the brain during practice and mastery. 0
2007-12-20 04:22:22.0 50FCE16E-86A1-4839-E0440003BA414B7F andydejoseph 4:22 AM on 12/20/07 I think there's a difference between making the most of ones abilities, and having unlimited abilities. I think the mind responds to activity just like the body. A person can be a world-class athlete, but if they sit around all day eating pizza and drinking beer, they likely won't be able to do much physically in a few years. On the opposite end, a person with limited athletic ability can go through the best training routine for a couple of years, and still won't become a professional athlete. The mind isn't much different. I don't think that a small percentage of the population is mentally retarded, and everyone else has genius potential. Just like physical exercise, mental exercise can help everyone get the most of what they have, but there's still a limit to what they have. 0
2007-12-20 13:30:24.0 50FCE16E-86A0-4839-E0440003BA414B7F OttoAuswinberg 1:30 PM on 12/20/07 I like article. Good to read. My good brain teach me that am smart. Not other many smart me. Otto smart qerson. 0
2007-12-23 14:58:37.0 50FCE16E-86B8-4839-E0440003BA414B7F hmaltman 2:58 PM on 12/23/07 This is very interesting info. which I fully agree with... Harold Altman 0
2007-12-24 09:24:51.0 50FCE16E-86B7-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Phan An 9:24 AM on 12/24/07 For all of people who think this is a way to "create" genius . First , it is not . This is just about if you don't hard work enough and don't have enough passion to do something , you never succeed in doing it . And , if you are very smart , you still need to hard work and love ( of what you do ) to be a genius . 0
2007-12-24 09:32:20.0 50FCE16E-86B6-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Phan An 9:32 AM on 12/24/07 You don't need to be Albert Eistein to try . Just hard work and get the greater result . Maybe in this way, you ( I say maybe ) could be something ... special 0
2007-12-27 09:01:57.0 50FCE16E-86C2-4839-E0440003BA414B7F gs_chandy 9:01 AM on 12/27/07 Here's a link to a story in the New York Times that is, I believe, most apposite to Professor Dweck's thesis: it's the "mindset" that determines the effort made by a person; and it's the mindset that enables a person to take the needed steps to success; to achieve 'success', it's the effort made that primarily helps you achieve it, not natural intelligence; we can (and should) all learn how to learn. Check out the inspiring story: [i][b]"Based On A True Story"[/b][/i]: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/movies/27mays.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin [b]Question to moderator:[/b] Is it permissible to attach a PowerPoint file; what is the maximum permissible size? 0
2007-12-28 12:06:22.0 50FCE16E-86A2-4839-E0440003BA414B7F dina1212 12:06 PM on 12/28/07 as a tok teacher this article confirms my belief about the elasticity of the human mind in its unique faculty of being intelligent with free will. thank you and pls let us readers, know how and where to get the brainology program next year. 0
2007-12-29 09:58:50.0 50FCE16E-86A6-4839-E0440003BA414B7F NeonPhotons 9:58 AM on 12/29/07 I went from hating math and getting a D in elementary algebra all the way to multivariable calculus and loving it (B average). If I had told myself "I'm simply stupid" and gave up, I'd never had known what I was capable of. I also had a teacher in general chemistry who laughed at one of my ideas in front of the whole class back in community college, but last quarter I got a 94/100 on my physical chemistry midterm and a 192/200 on the final (my professor graduated with a phD from UC Berkely, so I don't think that she was too dumb to grade my exams correctly). Furthermore, the same semester my general chem teacher laughed at me, I got the highest grade in the class on a midterm in precalculus...but don't listen to me, I'm a just dummy and should have just given up at elementary algebra, right >:)? In six months I will have my BS in biochemistry. My favorite pastime is motivating my peers to keep going and only give up if they truly do not enjoy what they are doing. 0
2007-12-30 02:49:06.0 50FCE16E-86A5-4839-E0440003BA414B7F AlanENelson 2:49 AM on 12/30/07 I think this is brilliant and very insightful. We're working with leader types in a new program called KidLead (www.kidlead.com) and the application, especially with parents with higher capacity kids, is invaluable. Thanks for this! Alan Nelson, Ed.D. 0
2007-12-30 12:31:02.0 50FCE16E-86A4-4839-E0440003BA414B7F philipdonald 12:31 PM on 12/30/07 As some have pointed out in a few comments and related articles, perhaps effort is not always rewarded with appropriate returns. Malleable Intelligence is true without a doubt, but don't misdirect your effort in an area where you have no natural talent. The rewards are far greater in areas of natural talent and interest. -- Edited by philipdonald at 01/01/2008 10:09 AM 0
2007-12-30 17:06:42.0 50FCE16E-86A3-4839-E0440003BA414B7F ericg70 5:06 PM on 12/30/07 interesting article, as I too, was a "Johnathan" in grade school. one thing that you don't address is the educational system itself. Even if my parents were to praise my efforts, instead of my intelligence in grade school, I still would have hit the 'ceiling' of "A" grades. There is nothing in the "system" to support extra achievement by students, the educational factory is setup for you to get your "A"s and move on. If I were to want to learn above what was needed, I'd be chided by the other kids as a brownoser or a nerd while the teacher had no curriculum to support additional learning, so I'd be stuck in 'cruise control' until the next grade. 0
2008-01-01 18:52:15.0 50FCE16E-869E-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Chuck271 6:52 PM on 1/01/08 Realistic expectations sre very important. Some people can not swim. No matter what method we try, it is unrealistic to think that they will learn. However, in the face of limitations we can learn to live with alternatives, e.g. stay in the boat. Having spent 40 years teaching (in the public school system) mathematics I've worked with all abilitities and all mindsets. Nothing beats good attitude and realistic expectations for students accheiving at higher levels of complexity. If parents can be trained to accept what their children can do and hold the kids accountable, progress is possible. 0
2008-01-02 15:56:39.0 50FCE16E-869D-4839-E0440003BA414B7F dagmararnim 3:56 PM on 1/02/08 Teaching classes of highly gifted youngsters (form 5-9) at a German "Gymnasium" I can only agree to what the article says. It truely depicts the experience in our everyday work. The problem is that the school-system in itself doesn't easily allow the growth mind-set scenario for gifted children especially in primary school; thus it is difficult for them to escape the "Jonathan"-effect in your example. As we get those kids after 3-4 years of this experience (always being the ones with the best grades without doing anything at all) it is hard work and sometimes takes years to make them see the reward of effort and study discipline. It could be worthwhile to model curricula for all grades in order to challenge gifted children and help them avoid the negative side effects of too much emphasis on intelligence represented by scores in a test. Moreover parents have to be instructed very early about the results of this research. 0
2008-01-02 17:47:17.0 50FCE16E-86B2-4839-E0440003BA414B7F mlangdon 5:47 PM on 1/02/08 Research shows that effort matters more than natural ability. (see Cambridge Handbook of Expertise and Expert Performance) That is not to say that it doesn't have an effect. However, society at large prefers the idea of natural ability. This is because it makes a better story. People remember anecdotes and forget statistics. We remember the child prodigy and forget that most of the great contributors to the advancement of society were not. It also makes it easier on the educational system to say that some kids are just "gifted" and others are not. Dweck's therapy is only applicable to students whose grades were in decline which means they were learning to be helpless. This therapy may not necessarily apply to students whose grades have been low for a period of time. Books like Martin Seligman's "Learned Optimism" are a good read on this subject. 0
2008-01-03 15:08:40.0 50FCE16E-869B-4839-E0440003BA414B7F nauvillain 3:08 PM on 1/03/08 In your article 'The secret to raising smart kids', you make a strong link between intelligence and success in school, and in life. I would argue that success in life is not necessarily measured by success in school. One's success might be to provide emotional support to peers who need it, or simply to find their soul mate. One person working harder to obtain better grades might miss out on other opportunities, and might end up a very unhappy person - and that does not look like a smart move to me. However, the insight on where to focus - where we to choose and attempt at being professionally successful - is very interesting. 0
2008-01-06 04:16:13.0 50FCE16E-869A-4839-E0440003BA414B7F patusa 4:16 AM on 1/06/08 Most kids are average or a little bit above average. Telling them that they are gifted is often very harmful. -- Edited by patusa at 01/05/2008 8:17 PM 0
2008-01-06 23:27:30.0 50FCE16E-86B0-4839-E0440003BA414B7F sciamiam 11:27 PM on 1/06/08 This article was great. But what do you do for adults who have been raised receiving compliments for their accomplishments and not a word on their effort? When one little failure stamps out their motivation. 0
2008-01-08 21:37:43.0 50FCE16E-86AF-4839-E0440003BA414B7F ScienceMark92 9:37 PM on 1/08/08 Many of our young people are subject to ugly manifestations of learning in the classroom, and more so, in academic testing. Encouraging creativity and enlightening the minds ensure their ability to complete required coursework. 0
2008-01-08 22:37:11.0 50FCE16E-86AE-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Imagine 10:37 PM on 1/08/08 I think this article is overly focussed on a particular group of students- say those scoring between 50 and 80%. The article talks about a 50%er going on to become an 80%er. Good news of course, but what constitutes the cream (forgive my usage of the word) of a class are those endowed with natural talent. Among the cream, there is probably little difference between someone with an IQ of 136 and 140, which can be made up by effort. It is unrealistic, however, to expect someone with an IQ of 100 to perform as well as one with 140. One question, is the ability to put in higher effort an inborn ability too? 0
2008-01-09 17:33:43.0 50FCE16E-86AD-4839-E0440003BA414B7F ashoke menon 5:33 PM on 1/09/08 Where can we look at the curriculum for growth mind set workshop? What is the status of your interactive Brainology program? 0
2008-01-17 21:11:30.0 50FCE16E-869F-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Mike Olson 9:11 PM on 1/17/08 To be honest I went through formal schooling and received average grades at best. Later in life I found that I scored well on placement tests, IQ tests, etc. I believed that intelligence was something that could be learned, however, I thought that people had an "area of expertise." Thus when math didn't come as easy as other subjects I felt I must be doing something wrong. I gave up to a large degree because it wasn't easy. Later, in life, with a little more displine, I realized that if I actually practiced the required skills, it came much easier. My intelligence didn't change. My view of how much discipline(how hard I would try) did. Kids should be taught to try hard at all things, persistance is going to lead to the development of more problem solving skill sets and make the taste of learning much sweeter. 0
2008-03-16 16:41:20.0 50FCE16E-8695-4839-E0440003BA414B7F dan campbell 4:41 PM on 3/16/08 hi did you ever get a reply to your question about curriculm and the interacvtive program? dan 0
2008-04-16 14:44:23.0 50FCE16E-8699-4839-E0440003BA414B7F srinivas 2:44 PM on 4/16/08 Hi, This is an excellent piece of information. The concept of two mind sets ie. fixed mind & the Growth mind is really good. 0
2008-04-29 03:43:22.0 50FCE16E-8698-4839-E0440003BA414B7F giftventure 3:43 AM on 4/29/08 I created a gift giving game to make kids think and problem solve in the course of their receiving presents. Check out giftventure.com 0
2008-05-19 01:47:46.0 50FCE16E-8694-4839-E0440003BA414B7F Jennys 1:47 AM on 5/19/08 This research is exciting. I spent 12 years from 1991-2002 teaching children with a variety of disbilities to swim and trained them with other teachers in karate, including some in wheelchairs. We called our group Kala-no limits. This came from the Hawaiian term meaning we are all connected and there are no limits to what we can achieve. I praised the children on their smallest achievements and made the parents sit and watch and at a signal from me they would clap and shout praise. I asked the children what their dreams were and told them we could achieve them but we just had to dream them first then work towards achieving them. I told them of a previous child I had taught who ended up in the Paralympics. They saw this young man win gold after I told them about him on tv so knew it could happen to them too. Several went to the nationals for the paralympics and several went to the special olympics. Others improved enough to go into mainstream sports such as netball and soccer. Jenny S 0
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