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McCain in NH: Would Be "Fine" To Keep Troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years"
The United States military could stay in Iraq for "maybe a hundred years" and that "would be fine with me," John McCain told two hundred or so people at a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire, on Thursday evening. Toward the end of this session, which was being held shortly before the Iowa caucuses were to start, McCain was confronted by Dave Tiffany, who calls himself a "full-time antiwar activist." In a heated exchange, Tiffany told McCain that he had looked at McCain's campaign website and had found no indication of how long McCain was willing to keep U.S. troops in Iraq. Arguing that George W. Bush's escalation of troops has led to a decline in U.S. casualties, McCain noted that the United States still maintains troops in South Korea and Japan. He said he had no objection to U.S. soldiers staying in Iraq for decades, "as long as Americans are not being injured, harmed or killed."
After the event ended, I asked McCain about his "hundred years" comment, and he reaffirmed the remark, excitedly declaring that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for "a thousand years" or "a million years," as far as he was concerned. The key matter, he explained, was whether they were being killed or not: "It's not American presence; it's American casualties." U.S. troops, he continued, are stationed in South Korea, Japan, Europe, Bosnia, and elsewhere as part of a "generally accepted policy of America's multilateralism." There's nothing wrong with Iraq being part of that policy, providing the government in Baghdad does not object.
In other words, McCain does not equate victory in Iraq--which he passionately urges at campaign events--with the removal of U.S. troops from that nation. After McCain told Tiffany that he could see troops remaining in Iraq for a hundred years, a reporter sitting next to me quipped, "There's the general election campaign ad." He meant the Democratic ad: John McCain thinks it would be okay if U.S. troops stayed in Iraq for another hundred years.....
Well, it was straight talk. And McCain's combativeness livened up a session during which he alternated between the old McCain (as in punchy, feisty, humorous) and the old McCain (as in just plain old). He moved a bit stiffly on the stage set up in the middle of the Adams Memorial Opera House. And he--somewhat oddly--shared the spotlight with Senator Joseph Lieberman, who has endorsed him. Lieberman did not merely introduce McCain; he stood by McCain during the entire event, helping McCain to answer questions about education, climate change, and the Iraq war. Several times, Lieberman gave more coherent and animated replies than did McCain. Repeatedly, Lieberman maintained that McCain could rack up bipartisan successes as president. (The Lieberman sidekick bit was curious. But an elementary-age girl in the audience did say, after being handed a microphone, that Lieberman was her role-model and that she fancied McCain. Lieberman hugged her, and the whole crowd oohed at this cuteness.)
Update: Video after the jump.
McCain has been coming on strong in New Hampshire, where he beat George W. Bush by 18 points in the 2000 Republican primary. (Some polls place him in the lead.) Eight years ago, McCain thrived as an independent-minded GOPer willing to blast the corruptions of Washington. These days, his stock appears to be rising because he has stuck with the Iraq war and boasts of years of national security experience. "If the world was stable, we could afford Mitt Romney as the national CEO," says a McCain campaign aide (who asks not to be identified). "But in an unsafe and unstable world, Republican voters, and some independents, are coming to see that we need a warrior in the White House." The crisis in Pakistan, this aide notes, was a timely reminder.
So McCain is not doing so bad for a candidate who was on life-support last summer. But it's not that he has craftily orchestrated his revival; the other campaigns have fallen flat. Romney has hard a tough time selling himself as a fellow ready to be commander in chief. Rudy Giuliani cast himself as Mr. 9/11--which is different from persuading voters you are Mr. Win the War. Fred Thompson, who highlighted the foreign policy experience he obtained on the Senate intelligence committee, has mounted a lackluster bid. Mike Huckabee has had little to say about national security and has gaffed too often on foreign policy. Regarding national security and the war, McCain has become the default Republican.
"The Mac is back," Lieberman exclaimed in Derry. Perhaps it's merely that McCain managed to stay on his feet while his rivals have faltered. In the next few days, McCain and his supporters will be pushing him as the Republican who is ready for wartime. This is a potent argument. But will it win over the New Hampshire independents who swooned over McCain in 2000? This slice of the electorate is not particularly fond of the war McCain champions. Michael Dennehy, McCain's political director, says that independents "will agree to disagree on the war with him if they think he's being honest." Well, with McCain boldly declaring he doesn't give a damn how long U.S. troops are deployed in Iraq, his strategists can certainly say he is not holding back. Whether that indeed impresses independents (and Republicans) in New Hampshire won't be known until this Tuesday.
Comments
Hey, pretty nice getting a sound bite gift from the experts.
Is there such a thing as a "Silver Headed Ho"?
Posted by: habrow2 on 01/03/08 at 7:18 PM Respond
Yep, he's back ... the Schmuck Talk Express(TM).
Posted by: SocraticGadfly on 01/03/08 at 9:32 PM Respond
McCain is a PNAC Republican.
Aint they all? Now,Its Empire
for everybody except Edwards. But if we leave Iraq and leave Iran alone, what then--
return to business-as-usual?
Nobody has figured in Israel.
And every president obeys the Zionist State.
Posted by: david wilson on 01/04/08 at 12:21 AM Respond
mccain will never be president, what he says really doesn't matter. thus, what he says really doesn't matter
Posted by: Russell Lawrence Lee on 01/04/08 at 2:32 AM Respond
Attention Senator McCain - the US troops in Korea, Japan and Europe are not in the middle of a shooting war - a civil war for that matter. Maybe if Senator Lieberman's daughters would join the military, I would take his macho BS about Iraq and Iran seriously and not the rantings of a shill for the Israeli lobby
Posted by: SonnyBono on 01/04/08 at 5:15 AM Respond
McCain got Jewish money, so he supports the wars for Zionism. AIPAC rules.
Posted by: Horst G. on 01/04/08 at 6:16 AM Respond
I agree with the old war criminal, partially. I think it would be good to leave US troops in Iraq as long as they are being killed. As soon as they come home to Amerika, those mindless mercenaries will continue to wreak a lot more havoc stateside for the remainder of their desperate, pathetic lives.
Posted by: jason robards on 01/04/08 at 9:05 AM Respond
Thanks everyone...I'm sure the Mother Jones staff was worried they were losing their anti-Semitic readers. Glad to see you're alive and well and full of prejudiced hatred.
Posted by: Rose on 01/04/08 at 9:09 AM Respond
You are right Rose. There are too many anti-Semites. The ADL says that the Mexican Catholics score very high in this area. Build the fence. The illegals have to go. We don't need to import more anti-Semites.
Posted by: Ira C. on 01/04/08 at 9:58 AM Respond
Let's not forget, if you say anything bad about Israel, you must be antisemitic. It would have nothing to do with the nation's apartheid policies.
Posted by: M. Peach on 01/04/08 at 10:10 AM Respond
Progressives need to talk more about imperialism, and the evils thereof. Otherwise McCain's and other's permanent presence strategy will continue to make sense to a sizable portion of the electorate. Why are all the Democratic contenders afraid of the "I" word?
Posted by: kuulray on 01/04/08 at 10:31 AM Respond
thank you john for taking yourself out of the race! that coupled with have the world's most selfserving politician as your 'running mate' - lieberman- assure your early withdrawal....
Posted by: pete miller on 01/04/08 at 10:32 AM Respond
I hope and pray that people don't agree with McCain. And, I hope and pray that Obama is sincere when he says he will bring the troops home within 8 months of taking office.
Posted by: Frederic Rounds on 01/04/08 at 10:46 AM Respond
Senator McCain supports racism because Israel promotes NOT a vision of a inclusive "multi-cultural," "multi-ethnic" society (like we do in America) for Israel, but instead a racist exclusionary "Jewish state." It is racist because a Jew is defined as coming from a Jewish mother(genes). That state is openly dedicated to the advancement of the Jewish religion, culture, and even the genetic preservation of the Jewish people. Israel uses racial profiling. Israel values Judaism above other religions. Israel should seek to be welcoming and inclusive and respect all religions, or even those with no religion.
Israeli ethnocentric, chauvinism and xenophobic values are just too extreme. Israel does not share American values and let us therefore not share American taxpayer money with them. Israel needs to advance to the 21st century in its values. The days of racism should be a thing of the past. Israeli society is where America's society was 100 years ago. Israel can do better. Let us have that as our goal to advance Israel to the 21st century in the field of civil rights.
Posted by: Prof Wadsworth on 01/04/08 at 11:09 AM Respond
I wonder if McCains children or grandchildren will be in Iraq for 100 years???
Posted by: Edward L Buchman on 01/04/08 at 11:13 AM Respond
George W. McCain Alzheimer.
Posted by: Merritt Teddlie on 01/04/08 at 11:22 AM Respond
Wow. This man is unfit to be president... So we attack countries now and then occupy them for a century? Insane
Posted by: Scott Edwards on 01/04/08 at 12:25 PM Respond
YES THERE IS HIS NAME IS Lieberman HE MUST BE BUCKING FOR THE VP SPOT FOR MCCAIN WHICH IS FINE WTH ME THAT WAY ME CAUSE THE HE WOULD NO LONGER BE MY STATES SENATOR A JOB HE SHOULD NOT BEEN REELECTED FOR
Posted by: Jim Martin, Sr. on 01/04/08 at 1:04 PM Respond
I wonder how it would have made him feel if he had heard that he would be at the Hanoi Hilton for 100 years. McCain is a tool!!!!!
Posted by: clan1465 on 01/04/08 at 1:07 PM Respond
HE'S A CRIMINAL AND LEARNED NOTHING FROM ALL THAT TORTURE
Posted by: SPEEDRACER@HOTMAIL.COM on 01/04/08 at 1:16 PM Respond
When the Old Fart said that the U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea, Japan, Europe, Bosnia, and elsewhere as part of a "generally accepted policy of America's multilateralism." There's nothing wrong with Iraq being part of that policy, providing the government in Baghdad does not object.
Has he ever talked to the servicemen who are stationed in these countries and hears how dangerous it is to be found in a dark spot at night.
Someone needed to ask either McCain or the old Jew how the people of, say Italy feel about us building the huge Air force Base in their country.
Check the web and see how the Italians feel about the American Fools.
Posted by: dras on 01/04/08 at 2:00 PM Respond
McCain is an idiot.
Posted by: McCain is nuts. on 01/04/08 at 3:16 PM Respond
Wow! That's exactly what Ariel Sharon told members of congress a few years ago. Nice touch there Mr. McCain.
Posted by: Tim on 01/04/08 at 5:21 PM Respond
McCain was given the kiss of the Neo-Cons when he met with the Brat King Wanna-Be and his evil side kick in the White House over torture...The day when he went in screaming no torture and came out saying well, maybe a little is OK for the good of the people...
He just thought they wouldn't turn on him. The Rove machine ain't working yet but who knows...This time 2009 the Neo-Con Machine could have fixed enough votes, bought as many election commissions as needed and put the fix on enough machines to rig it for the 3rd time....OR Bush might declare Marshall Law and kick out the vote (he has set up that as a possibility through laws, signing statements, directives, orders and his hold on the Supreme Court)
I hope to God I am wrong but whenever I see those diabolical little psychotic eyes giggling in their sockets and hear that hebephrenic laugh eminating from Georgie Porgie, the hair on the back of my neck stands up and my stomach turns.
They aren't going to give it up without a sleezy, slimey fight
Posted by: Cosmic Surfer on 01/04/08 at 5:30 PM Respond
Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world... the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity... --- Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938
Posted by: Tim on 01/04/08 at 5:34 PM Respond
Which, my friend, is EXACTLY what Leo Strauss was counting on when he espoused new little philosophy now dubbed the Neo-Conservativism...Read him some time if you want to really get an idea of the thought process. His followers...Wolfowitz, Kristol, Cheney and Rummy with their friends have been working it at the White House level since Nixon
Posted by: Cosmic Surfer on 01/04/08 at 5:45 PM Respond
If it were up to the people of Japan, Germany, Korea or anywhere else we have troops they would overwhelmingly send us packing as did the Philipines and in South America. What makes him think the people of Iraq or Afghanistan want us there? McCain seems to be pandering to the old and misinformed historical view of the U.S. as the saviour of the world and the spreader of democracy; two ideas that never were and never will be.
Posted by: Luis M. Lozano on 01/04/08 at 6:33 PM Respond
Obama has Zbigniew Brzezinski on his advisory staff. Old Zbig created The Mujahadeen to fihgt the Russians in Afganistan. We now know them as Al Qaeda and the Taliban, two different wings of the same creature created by a democrat administration. Do your homework. WE are all being had. Wake up and put on the glasses!!!
Posted by: zeebob on 01/04/08 at 6:33 PM Respond
This is McCain's Dean Scream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM
I'm voting for Ron Paul. I used to like Obama until I found out he was in bed with the CFR. In light of his connections to the CFR, I must conclude Obama will not leave Iraq.
In any case, enjoy McCain's Dean Scream!
Posted by: John on 01/04/08 at 6:53 PM Respond
I'm afraid there's no way to win no matter who you choose. This whole thing is just ugly anyway, whether we keep them there for 1 month or 100 years.
Posted by: Cozmo on 01/04/08 at 7:26 PM Respond
although i don't like McCain and his views, David Corn certainly is no savior. The guy is totally unwilling to look at the evidence that 9/11 was allowed to happen. His disparaging remarks about Michael Ruppert are not appreciated.
Posted by: chris mac on 01/04/08 at 8:42 PM Respond
Some of the posters are anti-Semites. You know who you are. You are just jealous because we have so much influence and are so successful.
Posted by: Ira C. on 01/04/08 at 8:59 PM Respond
Doesn't keeping troops overseas indefinitely sound like a monumental waste of money? Fight a war .. win it .. return home.
Posted by: josh on 01/04/08 at 10:05 PM Respond
"as long as Americans are not being injured, harmed or killed."
Tell that to the 26 million Iraqi people still alive who have been bombed daily since 1991 and have suffered 1.1 million civilians deaths since April 2003. There is no need to remind the 50 million Arabs in the border countires to Iraq. They are all obligated to "cut the necks" of the invader according to the Koran, which is read daily by Arabs.
A note of information about beheading:
The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi'ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a siminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deed of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:
"As for the captives, the amir (ruler) has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for the goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, 'When you encounter those (infidels) who deny (the Truth=Islam) then strike their necks' (Qur'an sura 47, verse 4)"....Abu'l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah." The Laws of Islamic Governance, trans. by Dr. Asadullah Yate, (London), Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., 1996, p. 192. Emphasis added.
Indeed such odious "rules" were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.
Source: "The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading"
So what is the possiblity
that no Americans will be murdered or injured in Iraq for the next 100 years?
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com
Encountering invaders and infidels who deny Islam while in the process of bringing "democracy" via death and destruction of the entire country's resouces leaves little or no wiggle room precluding casualties on the part of those who McCain can see in Iraq for the next hundred years.
Posted by: John McCarthy on 01/05/08 at 12:55 AM Respond
McCain was early released from Hilton, Ho-Noi. He now thinks other country deserved to be occupied for 100 years. Do you see how wonderful he is! Or he is a one-of-the-kind idiot.
Posted by: StephenK on 01/05/08 at 2:00 AM Respond
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Posted by: mainerforDUNCANHUNTER on 01/05/08 at 2:24 AM Respond
All afternoon yesterday, following the Iowa caucuses, various bloviators of Conventional Wisdom on CNN and MSNBC spread it on thick that John McCain was going to do well in New Hampshire, perhaps even win it, due to 'independent' voters swarming to the polls to vote for the 'maverick' Republican, just as they did in 2000. (Media Matters has a good rundown of the despicable cheerleading of the Punditrocracy for McCain at http://mediamatters.org/items/200801050002?f=h_top )
Of course, this is horse pucky with bells on. Anyone who has been sentient and paying attention in this country for the past seven years knows two things: 1) The John McCain of 2008 is not the John McCain of 2000. Today's John McCain has twisted himself into various improbable pretzel shapes desperately trying to play to every possible GOP primary voter. (And I don't want to hear anything about his 'unpopular' support for the Iraq War -- it's still popular among what's left of the GOP base.) He is the living exemplar of the saying "A friend to everybody is a friend to nobody." (Well, everybody Republican anyway.) The John McCain of 2000 attracted independents and conservative Repubs because he stood up to the nutty Christopublicans and corporatists backing Bush Junior; the current wrinkled version genuflects to them. Consequently, he has lost the support of the GOP-leaning independents and Goldwater conservatives he enjoyed back then; in fact, they can't stand him these days. 2) The Republican Party is finished on the national level for at least eight years; it's 1932 all over again and they are poised to lose in a landslide in 2008.
If McCain is counting on independents and disaffected Republicans voting for him, he's out of luck; if he's expecting Christopublicans to come out for him, he's hasn't heard of Huckabee. That leaves a few dozen neocons who like to hear an idiot blabber that we'll be in Iraq for a hundred years, providing a nice negative ad for one of his competitors. The other 99.5 percent of voters will be avoiding Cap'n Blinky like the plague. Prediction: McCain won't finish in the top three in New Hampshire either.
Chris Matthews can spin it as another glorious victory for the manly warrior John McCain, his current heart throb. "Fifth place! Wonderful -- what a great strategy! He's conserving his money for the big states down the line!"
Posted by: RS Janes on 01/05/08 at 4:07 AM Respond
The idea that people see Lieberman as an evil, overly zealous, anti-muslim bigot does not make them anti-semites. One half of my family is jewish and they are of that opinion as well.
So QUIT playing the racial bigotry card, humans should be smarter than that but then again, the dumbing down of America got us George Bush.
McCain and Lieberman are two of the reasons this election is important as are the rest of the scarey candidates from Romney and Huckabee to Ron Paul, setting up to be the spoiler, and a few on the dems side.
If one truly wants to see change, there has got to be an end to the in-fighting and a real understanding of the issues. I don't know if there is a candidate in the field that does.
I liked Kucinich until he recently decided to populate his lower orifice with his head in a tirade and then came out to plea with his supporters to go with Obama.
I liked Hillary until she opened her mouth and supported the attack on a sovereign nation in 2003. I liked Obama until he made his "out of Iraq" in 2013 statement following lockstep behind Hillary. So far, Edwards has shown a lot of heart and soul but he still doesn't quite make it for me. He takes less money from 527's and big business (both Obama and Hillary have been bought by them) and he is talking a talk for the ever dwindling middle class and does discuss the removal of troops from Nam, oops, I meant Iraq, I still have a dis-ease of the lawyer from the South..maybe my old carpetbagger radar is out of whack or maybe there is something disingenuous about the patter.
As far as the Republicans - I won't even go there...I can't walk that far right and gas is way too expensive to drive.
Sure, sure, many say go with Ron Paul but , like it or not Libertarians are not the answer for the middle class problems, poverty, healthcare issues or anything else. The libertarian stands with the idea that one gets what they can and deserves all they can get....Anyone else can be left to fend for themselves....sounds great on paper but in practice turns in to the Capitalist's wet dream....Call me a socialist but after years of seeing what illness, abuse, poverty, and bad luck can destroy, I cannot stand the thought that we as a people would turn our backs on a brother or sister because they just got dealt a rotten hand to play the game with and played to the best of any ability still losing.
Ron Paul talks a good line as far as it goes but there is no level playing field and never will be and sometimes, people need to get a little boost to get over that hurdle
Posted by: Cosmic Surfer on 01/05/08 at 5:07 AM Respond
It is amazing that in a society that tells us repeatedly that everyone is an individual and you shouldn’t necessarily support your own race or group, Jews routinely put their group loyalty above everything else, but no public figures have the guts to expose this obvious fact. it is easy for radical Jews to dominate a society when powerful extremist Jews in government, media and finance support each other and the Jewish agenda (such as the catastrophic Iraq War) while everyone else is divided and compromised.
Posted by: Judy on 01/05/08 at 7:12 AM Respond
You are dead wrong about Ron Paul, Cosmic Surfer. Yes, he absolutely believes in personal responsibility but he is not the heartless capitalist that you are assuming and portaying him to be. Sure, there are issues that I don't like about him either but his good points far out-weigh any of his bad points. Please continue to read about him and research his stand on very important issues, especially his economic knowledge. Check out his interview w/ Moyers last night.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html
He really is the real deal, honest to the core! If we don't cut back spending in this country, we will go bankrupt and then everyone will soon be in trouble. Obama is potraying himself as Santa Claus - I'm amazed how naive people really are to believe that this greenhorn socialist (Establishment) candidate will be able to bail everyone out. He's no different than Hillary but people are like sheep, sadly.
Posted by: Robin B. on 01/05/08 at 7:14 AM Respond
The Wat truth Video McCain does not want you to see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8
Posted by: stan on 01/05/08 at 8:28 AM Respond
It amazes me there are people like you filled with so much hatred. Macain and Leiberman are only trying to do what is best for our country,if leaving troops in Iraq will keep our country safe and free,so be it. Then hate mongers like you will always be free to say idiotic things
Posted by: rich on 01/05/08 at 1:53 PM Respond
rich, our country would be safe if we would pull our troops back from the middle east and stop sending billions to Israel to practice apartheid on third world people. Say no to apartheid and racism.
Posted by: Donald on 01/05/08 at 3:07 PM Respond
John McCain is pathetically demented. Maybe it's because of the abuse he underwent as a POW in North Vietnam.
Anyone who makes mock of KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT IRANIAN MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN by parodying the Beach Boys hit song, Barbara Ann, by opening his appearances with "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb,Bomb, Bomb Iran is more of a mental midget and pathologially stupid than the Amiable Dunce, Ronald, the Dunce in Chief , Reagan. He made lying to the the American sheeple an enduring art. The evidence is seen in the brain dead who still sing his praises. They are no brighter that the Coterie of Cuckoos that fell under the evil spell of Charles Mansion.
Posted by: The Skeptical Cynic on 01/05/08 at 6:21 PM Respond
The US won't be in the middle east for 100 years, the oil will be long since gone.
Posted by: Ian on 01/06/08 at 6:45 AM Respond
Mukasey’s clear endorsement of torture caused a significant number of senators to vote against his confirmation. What put Mukasey over the top in the Senate for Attorney General was the support of supposedly liberal Jews such as Schumer and Feinstein. In the end, Jews can frequently be counted on to support their fellows no matter what the circumstances.
Posted by: Peter on 01/06/08 at 11:06 AM Respond
I am begining to understand the goverment. take for example this statistics...
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
you can clearly see that in 2005 there were 39,252 fatal accidents. Same year that we reached 1,000 troops killed in action in iraq.
It makes perfect sense now to me. We loose much more lives at home in peace at the road accidents every year than in the war.
lets extend the troops for a 100 more years thus clearly more steady jobs.
Posted by: Dr.Q on 01/06/08 at 6:18 PM Respond
Nuts
Posted by: Ames Tiedeman on 01/06/08 at 7:48 PM Respond
So tru-we create killers,then expect them to function normally-it is safer tohavethem be killed-quiet as kept-that is what the gov wants-less expensive then helping broken humans.Mccain has lost his mind-maybe it was the torture-why does he stay in this game at his age/health condition-totally insane!
Posted by: CT on 01/07/08 at 1:47 AM Respond
None of you get the fact that the radical arm of islam is the enemy, not your own country...
America bashing is so last decade....
Posted by: TRM on 01/08/08 at 5:46 PM Respond
If he says he is prepared for 100 years in Iraq, then how can he claim the Surge has been a success? Will he be sending troops back for their 9th or 10th tours?
Posted by: bob h on 01/11/08 at 4:25 AM Respond
The bill for Iraq over the past five years is now approaching a cumulative $500 billion, or about $100 billion per year on average. My hypothetical estimate got the annual cost about right, but I misjudged an important factor: how long we would be involved. As we approach the fifth anniversary of the start of the war, it's worth making a new appraisal of where we are going with this investment. Is the war's total cost going to run into the trillions of dollars, as some economists have asserted? Are those numbers meaningful in terms of what to do next? If we stick around to finish the job, are we throwing good money after bad?
Posted by: Larry L. on 01/11/08 at 7:29 AM Respond
In this video from 1994, John McCain gives reasons to back his argument to withdraw US troops from Haiti. http://www.electionspeak.com/USElectionVideos/343
Do we consider this as McCain's flip-flop?
Posted by: Emmy on 01/11/08 at 10:36 PM Respond
Some of the posters are anti-Semites. You know who you are. You are just jealous because we have so much influence and are so successful.
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Ha Ha!! Funny. You people are your own worse enemies. The rest of us are only now waking up. Hang on my friend we jealous gentiles are only now seeing the real picture.
Posted by: jncc1701 on 01/13/08 at 8:33 AM Respond
TRM:
I agree, the problem it is fine to think what McCain said, he may be right. However, one best not say it.
Posted by: Ames Tiedeman on 01/13/08 at 4:17 PM Respond
Emmy:
Haiti is not Iraq. Do you get it?
Posted by: Ames Tiedeman on 01/13/08 at 4:18 PM Respond
So he's been co-opted by the NeoCons/Zionists. Particularly disturbing to see a retired Navy officer who should well remember the USS Liberty and Jonathan Pollard succumb to AIPAC.
Posted by: Mike on 01/24/08 at 12:03 PM Respond
The thought of McCain at the helm give me goosebumps... I saw a trailer for a new independent movie that's coming to DVD where a guy moves to Canada in response to Kerry's defeat in '04. Any takers if the GOP takes capital hill again?
For more who knows, maybe the movie will inspire a whole new breed of border jumpers if the country goes red again...
You can check out the trailer at http://www.bluestatemovie.com
Posted by: Runningfortheborder on 01/24/08 at 6:03 PM Respond
If we elect McCain, we deserve every thing we get. He's another neocon tool...
What about all the contractors who seem to remain invisible? Those are the "troops" we need to get out of Iraq in addition to our formal military.
Posted by: Peter on 01/28/08 at 8:58 AM Respond
Oh Goody. More wars and killing with McCain and the republicans.
I'm going down right now and get my children and my grandchildren there passports right now.
Posted by: Michael Emerson on 01/30/08 at 10:49 AM Respond
Israel certainly did not act in a friendly fashion when it attacked the Navy intelligence ship, the USS Liberty, in 1967. That attack was the second deadliest against a U.S. vessel since the end of World War II. The attack also marked the single greatest loss of life by the U.S. intelligence community. 34 U.S. servicemen were killed and 173 were wounded in that attack. In addition, Israel is often found to be engaged in espionage within the United States. Should America turn a blind eye to such activities? Of course not. No more wars for Israel. No more blood and money for Israel.
Posted by: Chuck on 01/30/08 at 11:45 AM Respond
read "CASE FOR ISRAEL" BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ. usa SUPPORTS ISRAEL BECAUSE THEY ARE 90% RIGHT (I AM AGAINST ALL THE SETTLEMENTS). pEACE MOVEMENT SAME SO CALLED INTELLECTUALS WHO BOUGHT YOU VIETNAMESE BOAT PEOPLE AND POLITICAL PRISONERS IN VIETNAM TODAY (YEAH THERE ARE PRISONERS IN VIETNAM TODAY) NOW WANT TO BRING US ISRAELI BOAT PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHAT BUDDY...(AND I AM A GENTILE BY WAY) I SAY NEVER AGAIN
Posted by: gil corby on 02/01/08 at 10:51 AM Respond
the troops should come back from iraq it is a waste of money
Posted by: usha on 02/07/08 at 8:47 AM Respond
Keith – http://brokenwholeblog.blogspot.com/search?q=p1&max-results=20
All the solutions talked about for Iraq, both from candidates I like (such as Obama or Clinton) and those I wouldn’t trust (with a barge pole) to handle foreign policy (such as John “Hundred Years” McCain) just seem completely unrealistic. Moreover, at least on the Democratic side, they surely know it. They're playing sound-bite politics. They seem to think that most Democrats just want to hear the simple plan "get out of Iraq" rather than hear a more nuanced and realistic strategy.
It's the kind of thing I hate about politics. Obama is a candidate who I love, who I'm sure realizes just as much as I do that his position on getting out of Iraq is unrealistic, but yet who continues to keep it on his platform, presumably out of fear of losing the sound-bite war.
Yet I'm convinced that most Democrats and independent voters are educated enough, and have enough awareness to tolerate the more nuanced strategy. In fact I think that if Obama's team worked out now a well-reasoned plan for extracting ourselves from Iraq in a way that will minimize harm to our armed forces while giving Iraq the maximum chance of resolving their problems, it would be a net gain for their campaign. And it would certainly work well going up against McCain's Hundred Year War.
They'd have to work closely with the defense department to come up with a plan. My own idea for such a plan (obvious, worked out without the cooperation of the Pentagon!) would be something along these lines:
1) Set clear and absolute deadlines. E.g. thirty thousand troops will be rotated out of Iraq over this given period of weeks; etc.
2) Bring in the UN. This will require a lot of work, but it has to be done. Fixing Iraq is not a part-time job. A coalition has to be built similar to the impressive one put together by GWB's father (a man I admire) for Kuwait. This would be both a peace-keeping force, as well as an infrastructure support team.
3) Devise a plan for relocating, with the help of international organizations, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who worked with the coalition. We have a moral obligation to not leave them stranded.
4) Work with the Iraqi government on a "status of forces" agreement on the numbers, roles, locations etc for UN and US troops. There should be a date set to reach this agreement. If the date is not met, the remaining US troops and equipment who are not part of the UN effort should be completely withdrawn in a carefully prepared method that minimizes our risk.
Obviously this approach cannot be easily sound-bitten. But I think this type of plan, or something like it -- any plan that was carefully and deliberately thought out -- would be terrific material during a debate, and would get a lot of pundit/editorial/blogosphere support.
But I'm not holding my breath. This is why I both love and hate politics. I'm fascinated by it; yet politicians - even those I love and admire like Obama - do dumb things because it's the way things have always been done. When Obama talks about change, and then you think about the type of thing I'm talking about here, you see that there's a whole lot more changing we need to consider than has ever been seriously discussed.
Posted by: broken whole on 02/07/08 at 5:54 PM Respond
McCain doesn't care. He knows he wont be aroun to see the problems he's caused.
Remember: Old men send young men to die.
Posted by: gerald on 02/08/08 at 10:04 AM Respond
McCain's a mean spirited jerk,who was physically & mentally damaged in Vietnam,and that should be enough to disgualify him from being president.He was up to his neck in the S&L scandal with his friend Keating,that turned out to be the biggest tax payer bail out in history,plus the stupid comment he made about Chelsea Clinton in 1999 being ugly because Janet Reno was her father goes way to far and show's without a doubt how twisted he really is.There's just something about the guy that's not normal.Just go back and look at his life and the thing's he's done and said in his life and if you can still vote for him then the country's headed for a very bleak future.
Posted by: Hank on 02/12/08 at 4:58 PM Respond
john mcain rocks and he has my vote in a heartbeat because i dont want to fight a war on american soil and i support the war a hundred percent
Posted by: Ben on 03/19/08 at 5:50 AM Respond
Hi.
I'm working over at Moblogic.tv and today's video asks "Where's the Call to Action" concerning the war in Iraq.
(http://www.moblogic.tv/video/2008/03/20/sacrifice-for-iraq/)
We just wanted to let you know that we've linked to your site in our corresponding blog.
(http://www.moblogic.tv/blog/2008/03/20/wheres-the-call-to-action/)
Please check it out and feel free to let us know what you think, good or bad.
Thanks!
Amanda Elend
aelend@gmail.com
Posted by: Amanda Elend on 03/20/08 at 11:53 AM Respond
Ben says, "john mcain rocks and he has my vote in a heartbeat because i dont want to fight a war on american soil and i support the war a hundred percent"
Several points:
1. Based upon your punctuation, you may be about 9. If so, ignore the next point.
2. If you are over 18 & under 42 and in good health, hie thee to thy local recruiter (Army or Marines) and sign up--NOW! You can really help and someone else won't have to serve his/her third, fourth, fifth tour in Iraq.
There is really NO excuse for anyone who meets the enlistment requirements supports the war "one hundred percent" who does not serve. None. Don't give me the tired argument that boils down to either 1) I have better things to do (so do most of the Reservists and Guardsmen who have served in Iraq) or 2) I'm afraid. You're just letting someone else do the fighting, while you "benefit." That's selfish and, to be honest, unpatriotic. It verges on being immoral.
Before you (or someone) points accusing fingers at me, 1) I have been against the war from the beginning, 2) I'm too old (60), 3) I have chronic health problems and 4) I already served 22 years in the US Air Force, retiring as a Lieutenant Colonel.
Posted by: George on 04/21/08 at 2:27 PM Respond
Ben says, "john mcain rocks and he has my vote in a heartbeat because i dont want to fight a war on american soil and i support the war a hundred percent"
Several points:
1. Based upon your punctuation, you may be about 9. If so, ignore the next point.
2. If you are over 18 & under 42 and in good health, hie thee to thy local recruiter (Army or Marines) and sign up--NOW! You can really help and someone else won't have to serve his/her third, fourth, fifth tour in Iraq.
There is really NO excuse for anyone who meets the enlistment requirements supports the war "one hundred percent" who does not serve. None. Don't give me the tired argument that boils down to either 1) I have better things to do (so do most of the Reservists and Guardsmen who have served in Iraq) or 2) I'm afraid. You're just letting someone else do the fighting, while you "benefit." That's selfish and, to be honest, unpatriotic. It verges on being immoral.
Before you (or someone) points accusing fingers at me, 1) I have been against the war from the beginning, 2) I'm too old (60), 3) I have chronic health problems and 4) I already served 22 years in the US Air Force, retiring as a Lieutenant Colonel.
Posted by: George on 04/21/08 at 2:29 PM Respond
Saddam's dead,,,If he was alive today everyone would be complaining that we did nothing about him. If you are paying too much for gas, what kind of car are you driving? Maybe the next time you buy a car you should get a different model. I bet that the price of gas was high before you bought the car you are driving now. Wasn't it? It's so easy to blame the government for all of your problems, when YOU have choices that could lessen your problems. But you don't choose them do you? Just blame the government. If you are one that is concerned about "global warming" and if you assume that humans are the cause, what kind of car are YOU driving? What kind of water heater do YOU use? What kind of lawn mower do YOU use? YOU just might be part of the problem huh? They have cheap mowers at Lowes that don't use gas. They have had them for years and years. They use the energy from you pushing it. They are cheaper than mowers with motors. How many people use them? If everyone that was able bodied used them it would save alot of fuel and noise and air pollution. It's good exercise too. Using them and getting more exercise in general and eating right would prevent a lot of health problems by getting off your butt. But that would be alot of work wouldn't it? The money you will save will pay for a medical plan. Making these choices will deprive the Democrats an excuse for starting an overpriced, mismanaged huge government program (common, you know it will be mismanaged; admit it). If I'm not on line I'm probably getting some exercise or working you snotty nosed punks. ,,,Go McCain!!
Posted by: Dan Duguay on 05/07/08 at 7:00 PM Respond
Take cindi's money and retire.
Posted by: Googlebomb on 05/29/08 at 6:02 PM Respond
Duguay,
Amen brother.
Googlebomb; they've got a prenup. For some strange reason, I have a feeling McCain doesn't really care much about money. He has this weird condition... it's some sort of genuine dedication to his country. I think it's called.. patriotism? And not the psuedo patriotism that other candidates and past presidents (possibly current) have espoused. It's 100% genuine through and through. I wonder where he caught this affliction?
Posted by: Jonathon Nierengarten on 05/30/08 at 10:36 AM Respond
They don't have a prenup because McCain doesn't care about money; they have a prenup because McCain is famous for fooling around, although mostly in his first marriage (when he is rumored to have paid for an abortion for one of his mistresses).
Posted by: Rufus P. Peabody on 06/15/08 at 10:08 PM Respond
John McCain is a cad when it comes to women. I just read about how he dumped his first wife, Carol after he was involved with his current wife, Cindy. I do believe that you can get a pretty good measure of a man by the way he treats his family. McCain is of the same ilk as Newt Gingrich, who dumped his cancer ridden wife for a new honey. I don't think we need another man with a roving eye in the White House.
Posted by: Linda Fields on 06/27/08 at 3:26 PM Respond
McCain-the Manchurian Candidate? Remember that movie??? Now with Communist VietNam coming out stating they support McCain - one might wonder - geeee, is McCain a 'deep cover' agent a la' The Manchurian Candidate??? Vietnam now has one of the worlds largest oil fields off it 's coast & needs that developed to compete with communist China for our remaining dollars - has a deal been 'pre-made' whereby we'll give them the development in exchange for $$$$ throw to the pres' family, and maybe cheaper Reeboks made by the VietCong children???
Posted by: Sandy Giurdollo on 07/14/08 at 6:28 AM Respond
Sandy dear, if you have been follow Obama's voting record, every year he votes to keep the troops there by proving funding. The Dems control both houses, they have the power to bring the troops home by not allow the Neocon's the funding. Only Ralph Nader is for real change.
Posted by: Shelly on 07/14/08 at 6:39 AM Respond
Shelly writes: Only Ralph Nader is for real change.
Um..., Shelly:
...I am among those believing the invasion and continued occupation of this Middle Eastern nation ("nation building," if you will) was and remains ill-advised...
Our National Defense policy must renew a commitment to non-intervention. We are not the world's police force and our long, yet recently tarnished, tradition of respecting the sovereignty of other nations is necessary, not from only a moral standpoint, but to regain the respect of the world as a principled and peaceful nation.
The proper use of force is clear. If attacked, the aggressor will experience firsthand the skillful wrath of the American fighting man. However, invading or initiating force against another nation based upon perceived threats and speculative intelligence is simply un-American. We are better than the policy of pre-emptive warfare.
-Bob Barr- Libertarian party candidate for president-2008-
Also: “Former Secretaries of State James Baker and Warren Christopher have proposed a new statute to encourage the president and Congress to cooperate in going to war. But the Constitution already sets forth a clear rule: Congress, and only Congress, is tasked with declaring war,” explains Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party presidential candidate. “Absent exigent circumstances, like defending against a surprise attack, only Congress has the authority to take America into a conflict."
...
“The Founders placed the power to decide on war in the Congress because they did not want to entrust that enormous authority to any one man or woman,” emphasizes Barr. “The world has changed, but not the need for checks and balances in government.” The Constitution is clear. “The power to decide on war is up to Congress alone, and as president I would not initiate conflict without congressional assent,” says Barr.
Posted by: Droolius Sneezer on 07/14/08 at 11:33 AM Respond
mc cain is not stable, making comments "you gotta have some fun campaigning" this is very very serious business. the man is suffering from confinement in a P.O.W. camp there's no way the man can be president with P.T.S.D. don't you understand mccain you have the responsibility of billions of human lives in your hands?????? retire john give us some peace!!!!!
Posted by: human tracker on 08/07/08 at 9:31 AM Respond
I like very much the writings and pictures and explanations in your adress so I look forward to see your next writings. I congratulate you.
Posted by: Cyprus on 08/07/08 at 4:45 PM Respond
They all play to the tone of the right wing Zionist agenda
we remember the three stooges
Hillary,Obama & McCain who never agree on one single issue other than the blind loyalty to AIPAC !what makes John McCain expert on national security when all what he saw is (20) hours of active duty in the service.
In the Naval Academy,He ranked
(894th of 899) stdents in ability.He was rejected by the war college,but thanks to nepotism,he was reconsidered !
Did anybody know that he was discharged for his disability?
If so ..why he's fit to even consider to run for president?
Posted by: massimo on 08/14/08 at 12:10 PM Respond
"Anti-Semitism is not an aberration,but a natural & completely understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior & attitudes"
Theodor Herzl.
The father of modern Zionism,
Posted by: massimo on 08/14/08 at 12:27 PM Respond
Hunter is the same NEO-Con Crap !
Posted by: massimo on 08/14/08 at 12:38 PM Respond
Stan, I like to let you know that your videos are no longer
on youtube.
Posted by: massimo on 08/14/08 at 7:41 PM Respond
Russel L.Lee says, mccain will never be president.But I do believe in Carl Rove's dirty magic & I also believe that the politicians will take advantage of the American people's fear of changing horses in the middle of the race & here comes in the idea of D.Cheney resignation for medical reasons and he'll be replaced by John McCain and by time we get to the election day, we'll see a lot of actions to make us believe that we must keep what we have
for the country's sake !the other scenario is CarlRove's old tricks,unfortunately,it does work its magic with some or the majority of the people.
At the end,NO change is expected from either ONE.
Posted by: massimo on 08/21/08 at 3:18 PM Respond
Horst G,
So is Obama !if you really want to know where they're taking America..you must check who's advising them and you'll know that we're going in the same direction of the current Administration.Would you build a $50 Millions house
in Alaska if you plan to spend (2)weeks vacation only?
They keep saying we'll leave Iraq when the time allows us to leave but what's happening on the ground is completely different & it seems that we'll never leave Iraq and if you believe otherwise, you better think again and here you can see our new embassy & the city that we built around it.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/NEWUSEMBASSYINIRAQ.HTML
Posted by: massimo on 08/21/08 at 3:50 PM Respond
Rich,Mccain and Leibermann are traitors to America and they're selfserving their own political agenda & I'll NOT vote for GOD if Zionist Leibermann is selected period!
How can anybody be afraid from a 10.000 miles away Bogeyman ! did you know that In order to any foreigner to come to the States he or she must obtain a visa from the U.S. consulate where they live & our officials in the consulate must check their background before they were considered & then they must go through screening & searching at the point of entry.still afraid ?
I CAN'T HELP YOU !!!
Posted by: massimo on 08/21/08 at 6:12 PM Respond
I’m (Navajo)Dineh from Northern Arizona, just one of the hundreds on people that was forced to moved from our home, in the Big Mountain Area. Mr. McCain used his power to instigate fighting (Divide and Conquer) between 2 Tribes so he and big Bush backer Peabody Coal Company, can get their spoils and Gut the earth, use the limited water that we have, to slurry coal hundreds of miles away.
Even though we had many droughts over the years, McCain didn't care.
When this country needs soldiers our warriors are always there, when we come back and see our reservation and livestock dying or dead, its sad..
Most of our Elders who only know Navajo could not believe they were going to be relocated, some were beaten, some still resist today, just a few..
They have bulldozed our religious sites; our people have been here in the Big Mountain area and have had good relations with the Hopi tribe, now the line has been drawn between both tribes.
With the stroke of McCain's pen and Peabody Coal Co. People have suffered and signatures from elders were forged, most don't write..
You think this is a lie, because in your white mind this does not happen here, especially to the tribe that brought us the Navajo Code Talkers.. Well it did, thanks to the internet I can tell my story to the world...
McCain called himself the Indian Agent while he was here in Arizona, well he was a Agent a Double Agent, throw money at him, he will listen to the highest bidder..
As a SSgt. in the Marines, My thinking of McCain is if he can do this when he was here, what do you think he will do when he's President...
My unit doesn’t understand where I come from, I don’t care, and they can glare at me all they want....
Posted by: Ron on 09/12/08 at 6:28 PM Respond
well i see it like this. No one in their right mine should vote mccain in office. Our troops are dying out there. does he not think of the families that have to attend funerals and hang on to last letters and last words heard from their loved ones? does he not think of the families left here all the long sleepless nights and the worrisome days? Since he has a family history in military he should go right on over there himself and chill for 100 years!!!!
Posted by: Carleta Santana on 09/17/08 at 1:53 PM Respond
If you believe Obama violated the Logan act go to this link. It’s so easy to voice your concern.
http://www.rallycongress.com/americansentinel/1223/a-call-for-hearings-into-senator-barack-obamas-violation-of-the-logan-act/
Note: use the “send for free” option.
Posted by: ben on 09/20/08 at 11:35 AM Respond
All the solutions talked about for Iraq, both from candidates I like (such as Obama or Clinton) and those I wouldn’t trust (with a barge pole) to handle foreign policy (such as John “Hundred Years” McCain) just seem completely unrealistic. Moreover, at least on the Democratic side, they surely know it. They're playing sound-bite politics. They seem to think that most Democrats just want to hear the simple plan "get out of Iraq" rather than hear a more nuanced and realistic strategy.games
Posted by: Jimmmy on 09/28/08 at 7:00 AM Respond
McCain is NO war hero by any sense of the word. I am a Vietnam vet and was wondering if any of you noticed that there are lots of photos of McCain being treated by the Cong? The Red Army does not take pics of anyone UNLESS they have signed a series of papers denouncing the United States; after that they get preferential treatment, medical care, a good bed, and decent food. Photos are taken of the traitors and posted for all to see as communist propaganda. That is how McCain was discovered to be alive and well in Hotel Hanoi, due to his wussing out. Many other troops refused to sign those papers and many of them paid for it with their lives. McCain was not tortured, he also lied about not taking his turn leaving the prison because he never knew a majority of the men there. He was kept isolated with the few privileged rich fly-boy elitist officers that also had rich parents or admirals as fathers. These people paid the communists to release their heroic sons before the regular poor grunts that may have been in the hole for up to a dozen years. These are the facts: photos equal traitors and early release like McCain.
Posted by: Obediah on 09/28/08 at 11:05 AM Respond
I am going to kill billions of troops by sending them to Iraq!! I think we can win this war! If not, who cares?!
Posted by: McCain on 09/29/08 at 6:46 AM Respond
That is how McCain was discovered to be alive and well in Hotel Hanoi, due to his wussing out
Posted by: oryantal kostüm on 10/02/08 at 3:57 PM Respond
Sandy dear, if you have been follow Obama's voting record, every year he votes to keep the troops there by proving funding. The Dems control both houses, they have the power to bring the troops home by not allow the Neocon's the funding. Only Ralph Nader is for real change.
Posted by: dansöz kostümü on 10/04/08 at 2:03 PM Respond
This man is unfit to be president... So we attack countries now and then occupy them for a century?
Posted by: dansöz kostümü on 10/07/08 at 11:33 AM Respond
battery sez: The Dems control both houses, they have the power to bring the troops home by not allow the Neocon's the funding. Only Ralph Nader is for real change.
Yes, Dems do control the legislative agenda in both houses, but as far as the war in Eye-Rack goes, and foreign interventionism in general, I think you'll find that Bob Barr is at least as change-oriented as Nader, and maybe even more so.
Posted by: Only Nader?? NOT on 10/07/08 at 6:59 PM Respond
DON’T FALL FOR THE SWEET TALK!!!
TEN COMPELLING REASONS TO VOTE MCCAIN
1. CHECK ON LIBERAL CONGRESS. The only way the liberal Congress will be checked at all is if McCain gets elected. Otherwise Pelosi, Dodd, and Frank(the very same people who contributed greatly to the current crisis through resisting reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and pushing “affordable housing” to those who weren’t credit worthy) will have unchecked freedom to cause further economic havoc and impose irresponsible, unaffordable spending programs on this country(we’ve had a Democratic Congress for the last two years and frankly they’ve done a terrible job—-the last thing we need to do is to give them unchecked power)
2. OBAMA TAX POLICIES WILL TURN CRISIS INTO CATASTROPHE Obama, despite his promises, will turn a crisis into a catastrophe if his economic policies are implemented. This will not help the average “Joe”. Raising taxes in a weak economy is the worst possible economic policy one can do. In 1932, for example,(in an effort eerily similar to the rationale Obama is using) Congress raised taxes on the wealthy and the result was an 8 point jump in unemployment. Moreover, taking money from the pool of funds job creators have means less money to pay wages, less money to pay health care and other benefits, and less jobs. What good is a $500.00 government check if the tax punishment meted out by Obama on your boss forces your boss to cut salaries, health care benefits, raise prices on consumers or, in the worst case scenario, close the business?
3. REAL OBAMA VIEWS MIDDLE CLASS AS “BITTER CLINGERS” AND OBAMA’S JOE THE PLUMBER ENCOUNTER SHOWS HIS TRUE DISDAIN FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS We’ve seen evidence of what Obama really thinks about the average “Joe” and it isn’t encouraging or pretty. Remember Obama’s remarks that Pennsylvanians were “bitter clingers to guns and religion”. These remarks were made when Obama wasn’t expecting them to be recopied(they thus represent the real Obama). And why should we be surprised at this elitist worldview given the fact Obama is a Ivy League lawyer who spent 20 years in the hate filled church of Jeremiah Wright? Further, look at Obama’s appalling treatment of “Joe” the Plumber. “Joe” is an average guy who wants to buy a business but his dreams can not happen under the Obama tax plan because Obama takes away any incentive to gross more than $250,000.00 in income. And both Obama and Biden essentially mocked “Joe the Plumber” once they learned he was probably a McCain supporter. They and the media made sure(within a days time) that this average “Joe” would have numerous embarrassing details about his life exposed worldwide in an effort to discredit him. And why, all because(when Obama came to his house—he didn’t seek out Obama—Obama sought him out) he dared to ask a reasonable straightforward question that any private citizen should be able to ask their President? Vote for other Democrats if you like(except Murtha who in my view shares the same elitist worldview as demonstrated by his comments Pennsylvanians are “racists” and “rednecks”) but we don’t need more elitists like Obama in leadership positions.
4. DEMOCRATIC PARTY LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR CURRENT CRISIS. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Barney Frank, and ACORN have pushed for the “affordable housing” policies that have encouraged or pressured banks into making loans to poor minorities and whites who weren’t credit worthy. These bad loans are at the root of the current crisis(not “deregulation” as Obama demogogically claims---there was little to no financial “deregulation” under Bush---in fact even more financial regulation in the form of Sarbanes Oxley---and Gramm Leach Bliley was under Clinton and may have helped the current crisis by making mergers between commercial and investment banks easier). Obama and Dodd were the top two recipients of Fannie Mae campaign contributions. Obama also picked Jim Johnson(former Fannie Mae executive) to lead his vice presidential team. According to the Washington Post, one of Obama’s economic advisers is Franklin Raines(another Fannie Mae executive who in Raines’ case raked in 90 million dollars from Fannie Mae). Obama represented ACORN, trained ACORN workers, he and Ayers gave $200,000 to ACORN, Obama’s campaign gave $800,000.00 to ACORN, the Democrats included a grant for ACORN in the original bailout bill and ACORN intimidated many banks into giving bad loans to minorities with discrimination lawsuits. John McCain, in contrast, called for reforms of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, and Dodd, resisted those reforms. Bush called for numerous reforms of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Democrats also opposed these reforms. So why in the world, given the fact the Democrats largely caused this crisis, would we want to put Obama, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, and Frank in total unchecked command of the country?
5. HEALTH CARE PLAN DISASTROUS On health care, Obama’s plan is unaffordable and will lead to a total collapse of the system ultimately. Obama wants a single payer system(he doesn’t say that now outwardly but that’s what he wants—-in 2003 in a speech before the AFL-CIO he said he favored a single payer system—-further his plan will ultimately lead to single payer because private insurers will be crowded out of the market—-they will be subject to costly new mandates and won’t be able to compete with Obama’s government subsidized plan) And single payer is an abject disaster and the the worst possible choice for health care. Why? For one thing, if you have single payer, you never get rid of it and you have no other option if you don’t like the way the single payer treats you. Further, in single payer countries like Canada, you have enormous wait lines(many Canadians flock to the US for care because of these wait lines), health care gets rationed(the government covers less because they have to in order to cut costs), and quality doctors leave the system(because they are paid low wages under single payer systems or less than they could make elsewhere). So Obama’s health care plan will not only not help the average “Joe”, his single payer dream will only lead to further hardship for the average “Joe” and a collapse of the system.
6. OBAMA ENERGY PLAN LEADS TO GREATER, NOT LESS DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL On energy, Obama’s energy policies will do next to nothing to help this country achieve “energy indepedence”. The last time a “windfall profits tax” was imposed(under Carter) our dependence on foreign oil grew and this happened because the windfall profits tax kills innovation on the part of oil companies(why should they drill more if they can’t make any profits from more drilling because Obama will take the money away) Moreover, Obama and the Democrats have historically railed against more drilling(Obama even scoffed we could save more energy by inflating our tires than we could gain from drilling for more oil) and nuclear power(two energy sources which are critical to helping us lessen dependence on foreign oil) so McCain and Palin are much more reliable in terms of drilling for more oil and building more nuclear power plants. Biden also said he and Obama wouldn’t build any “clean coal” plants. You should also note Obama wants to keep gas prices high(in fact he said he wasn’t upset about the fact gas prices rose, only that they rose too fast). Keeping gas prices high certainly doesn’t help the average “Joe”. And Obama also favors keeping gas taxes high while McCain has favored suspending the gas tax in the summer. The gas tax clearly hurts the average “Joe” because everyone has to buy gas(regardless of income level) yet it is McCain, not Obama, who is willing to give the average “Joe” the tax relief.
7. OBAMA FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE There is also no reason to believe Obama will be more fiscally responsible than McCain. McCain has proposed a spending freeze while Obama propses a trillion dollars in new spending. The resulting debt burden created by these spending programs will place an incredible burden and yoke on future generations. McCain is much more likely to keep spending in check.
8. MCCAIN MORE EXPERIENCED. OBAMA’S FOREIGN POLICY DISASTROUS In terms of foreign affairs, McCain has 26 years experience, Obama has 2. And Biden’s experience shows he has made the wrong judgment numerous times so he can’t be counted on to offer much help to Obama(after 9/11 Biden proposed giving $200 million to Iran—-a ridiculous idea, Biden also proposed partitioning Iraq—an idea Iraqis almost unanimously rejected, Biden and Obama opposed the surge while McCain’s judgment was vindicated on the surge). In terms of an unsteady hand, Obama has certainly shown an unsteady hand with his foreign policy gaffes already(e.g. wrong on the surge, 3 different answers on the Georgia situation, talking with dictators “without preconditions”, invading Pakistan). And, more recently, Biden said Obama would experience an international crisis if elected because he’s so inexperienced and that “America hang with us because our response won’t seem to be the right one”. There’s no evidence therefore Obama is capable of handling foreign policy crises better than McCain.
9. PALIN MOST EXPERIENCED ON ENERGY ISSUES, PALIN AT LEAST AS EXPERIENCED AS OBAMA In terms of Palin, Palin has at least as much experience than Obama. And on the critical energy issues, it is Palin who arguably has the most experience and knowledge of ALL the candidates on energy issues(because Palin was an oil and gas regulator, her husband has worked in the oil business, Palin negotiated the natural gas pipeline deal in Alaska, and Palin has lectured and given speeches on energy issues). Palin also hasn’t been given a fair shake by the media so if you’re relying on CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or the New York Times for your information on Palin, you are not, in my view, getting a fair picture of her. You should know that in the ABC interview Palin had, portions of it were edited out and were not shown to the public(these edited out portions would have made her answers appear more complete).
10. OBAMA’S ALLIANCES RAISE CRITICAL DOUBTS ABOUT HIS JUDGMENT AND SHOW HE LIKELY HAS RADICAL POLITICAL LEANINGS. And I haven’t even discussed Obama’s numerous alliances with radicals, party hacks or corrupt individuals such as
a) Reverend Wright
b) Bill Ayers/ACORN
c) Tony Rezko
d) Rashid Khalidi
e) Khalid al Monsour
f) Stroger
g) Richard Daley
h) Father Pfleger
Ten compelling reasons to vote McCain over Obama.
Posted by: Liberty11 on 10/26/08 at 7:55 PM Respond
Why do you say such things?
Posted by: Frank Intel. on 10/29/08 at 2:44 PM Respond
Thank you Liberty 11!
Posted by: Cybobserver on 11/04/08 at 4:37 AM Respond
OBAMA + DEMOCRATICSUPERMAJORITY =
POLICE STATE OF AMERICA
& once they are in there will be nothing anybody can do to change it.
Posted by: Cybobserver on 11/04/08 at 4:41 AM Respond
It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Mr. Obama is going to win the Presidency. Too bad the major media hasn't asked him how much of his $4.3 trillion of new programs are going to cost the taxpayer.
Consider if you will that 2% of Americans filing income taxes are taxed at a 35% rate. In 2006 they earned $ 1.3 million per filing and then they paid 39% of their adjusted gross income (AGI). When you sum all the taxes paid by this group it totals to $1.14 trillion. The next 3% of income tax payers’ pays at a rate of 33% of their AGI. This group earns $333 thous


Posted by: tom rogers on 01/03/08 at 6:59 PM Respond