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SC-Pres: Not so good for Obama

Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:30:24 PM PDT

Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 7/22-23. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (No trend lines)

McCain (R) 53
Obama (D) 40

Obama is getting only 15 percent of the white vote. Kerry, for his part, got 22 percent of the white vote in 2004. This poll closely tracks black turnout with the 2004 election (31 percent versus 30 percent in 2004), and we can assume those numbers will be greatly boosted thanks to Obama's presence in the field. However, those white numbers make it extremely difficult to make a go of this state. Perhaps that's why the Obama campaign talks more about Georgia than they do about South Carolina.

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South Carolina  Poll
Results July 22-23, 2008.
500 likely voters interviewed state wide by telephone margin for is 4.5%

Sample Figures

Men       239       48%
Women     261       52%

Dem       181       36%
Rep       214       43%
Ind       105       21%

White     329       66%
Black     156       31%
Other      15        3%

18-29      90       18%
30-44     151       30%
45-59     161       32%
60+_       98       20%


If the election for President were held today, would you vote for Barack Obama, the Democrat, or John McCain the Repblican?

         McCain    Obama     Und

All       53%       40%        7%

Men       57%       38%        5%
Women     49%       42%        9%

Dem       16%       80%        4%
Rep       84%        6%       10%
Ind       52%       39%        9%

White     78%       15%        7%
Black      4%       88%        8%
Other      7%       86%        7%


Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as President?

         Approve   DisapproveNot Sure

All       39%       60%        1%

Men       42%       57%        1%
Women     36%       63%        1%

Dem        8%       91%        1%
Rep       67%       32%        1%
Ind       36%       63%        1%

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 I Never Understood.... (19+ / 0-)

...why anyone thought SC would be even remotely competitive.  I'm only slightly less skeptical about Georgia.

 NC is a maybe (16+ / 0-)

SC is a "no way".

Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

by Scarce on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:15 PM PDT

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 Probably NC is no way too. (4+ / 0-)

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I live here and it doesn't look good.  North Carolina is up in arms right now against the Dem Governor and his wife for spending public funds like Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos.  

 Well It Was Always a Stretch.... (3+ / 0-)

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Just as 2004 was one election too soon to accept that Virginia would be competitive, I think 2008 is one election too soon to accept that North Carolina can be competitive.

 Vets will finish off McCain -- for SC, too. (2+ / 0-)

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The bullshit that got thrown at Kerry ???

That was fluff.

Veterans have enough real meat on McCain -- from after 1973 -- to knock him down 20 points.

And SC is prime veterans territory. Most retirees of any state, per capita.

Swing 10 points ???

No problemo.

When the GOP is reduced to Third Party status, then we'll let up on them just a little.

Till then, fuck 'em.

Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

by vets74 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:00:11 PM PDT

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 Hi Mdgarcia! (3+ / 0-)

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Hope the Taylor campaign is taking off.  Good to see you.

Yes, other than Va., the South likely will go to McCain. Georgia seems a real long shot, but worth trying.

"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

by TomP on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:51:10 PM PDT

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 Hey TomP (2+ / 0-)

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doing well here, hope you are too!  Great to see you.

I personally believe VA is a bit of a stretch too.  Don't forget, Webb won his Senate race with less than 0.5% of the vote.  And he's a "good old boy" who beat a "good old boy".

In 2004, Bush beat Kerry in VA 54% to 46%.  

I think it'll be closer this time, a squeaker, but I still see McCain beating Obama 51% to 49%.  That's my prediction for VA.  

 I agree. Va will be tough. (4+ / 0-)

But much closer than the Carolinas and Georgia.

If Obama gets 45% of the vote or more in NC, though, he could help Hagen.  In that way, if he is more competitive than Kerry, it still helps, even if he does not win the state.  Big turnout by Dems could help Kissell, Taylor, and Hagen.  

"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

by TomP on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:00:18 PM PDT

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 NC (1+ / 0-)

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is far far far less prejudiced than SC and GA. Some areas like asheville are positively liberal (for the most part).

South Carolina is the most racist state ive been to and ive lived in or travelled in every state east of the mississippi.
Remember NC put John Edwards in office despite an incredibly corrupt political system owned by big pharma and big tobacco. Despite that a black candidate nearly defeated that Nazi Jesse Helms a few years ago opening the way for Edwards.

I expect the vote in SC and GA to be split along racial lines with corruption abounding (as we can expect everywhere this election - thanks in no small part to bloggers screaming at the peons  to shut up about vote fraud).

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

by cdreid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 08:29:04 PM PDT

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 He'll probably get a bounce out of the convention (12+ / 0-)

But he's not going to carry most Dixie states.  The GOP will make its last stand to live, and die, in Dixie.

The Republican Party: the party of greed, hate, anger, fear, waste, death and destruction!

by ultrageek on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:26 PM PDT

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 That's a low number for kids too. (2+ / 0-)

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by ultrageek on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:37:47 PM PDT

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 Yeah, the Republican will do anything (6+ / 0-)

to try and hold these states, even if it means breaking out their klan robes. But it would be wonderful to see Obama could pick off at least one or two of these states. That would really demoralize the Republicans.

 He'll get Virginia... (0+ / 0-)

...and maybe North Carolina.  And, if he picks a Clinton, he'll get Arkansas.  And, if he picks Sam Nunn, he'll play in Georgia.  But, if it wants The South, I think his best shot is Wes Clark, who puts much more pressure on McCain across the steady red Southern votes, as far as Oklahoma, than anyone else.

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by ultrageek on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:47:25 AM PDT

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 A lot of new people are moving from northern (2+ / 0-)

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states into NC.  Add to that the substantial African-American population overwhelmingly in favor of Obama, plus a high level of disillusionment with Republican elected officials -- and I think there is hope.

 African American vote (9+ / 0-)

I think AA make up 29-30% of the population in SC. But yeah, I think SC and GA are both a bit of a stretch. Some of the other states which have been surprisingly close in polling, I think Obama can win though.

 Agreed and well said. (1+ / 0-)

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SC and GA are a bit of a stretch.

2004 results as follows:

SC  Bush 58%         Kerry 41%
GA  Bush 58%         Kerry 41%
NC  Bush 56%         Kerry 44%

I live in North Carolina and right now voters in this state are up in arms against Dem Governor Mike Easley and his wife for spending public funds on lavish trips abroad. There could be spillover from that, so I believe NC is a bit of a stretch too.

 Didnt know that (0+ / 0-)

I was thinking Easley might have been on the short list for VP. Guess not now. At least, he isnt on the ballot this year.

 2000 is a better comaprison (1+ / 0-)

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Because white in Georgia actually are willing to think about voting for a Democrat. Gore got 35% of the white vote in Georgia and 30% in Alabama. He got the exact same percentage as Kerry in SC. Racial voting patterns in that state are like a brick wall.

 i live in s.c. and its a racist state (29+ / 0-)

at least in the rural uneducated parts.  and in the gated community parts.  and in the business parts.  and, for that matter, in the urban parts.

 Is the New SC.... (2+ / 0-)

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.....full of yuppies and retirees seeking low taxes, even more conservative than the old SC where the sons and daughters of the Old Confederacy toil?  From my observation, it's probably ticked even further to the right in the last generation.

 "..full of yuppies and retirees seeking low.... (0+ / 0-)

taxes...." Sounds like damned Repiglians to me. They move there for greed, then want to starve the state government so they don't have to pay more taxes. Same in Arizona, and much of the Sunbelt.

With the dropping real estate values in these areas now though Repiglians are biting the dust, and they'll receive no sympathy from me.

..better that money be spent in the U.S. building windmills than squandered in the ME for Bush-McCain to tilt at them. -andydoubtless

by Hornito on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 07:30:23 PM PDT

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 no, they don't move primarily for the low taxes (0+ / 0-)

they move here for the lakefront properties.  that's also why my parents moved here (don't worry, they're not republicans.)

but the real estate crash has hit suddenly and hard.  for a while, it seemed like sc would barely be touched by it.  then around march, bang.  houses that were selling for 1.5 million are now selling for 750k.  no one can sell them without taking a huge loss.

 A hundred recs if I could. (10+ / 0-)

The most nakedly racist homophobic piece of real estate I have ever personally observed.  If SC is winnable by a Democrat, why is the Republican party even bothering to put up a candidate?

Oh, wait...

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by jarhead5536 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:44:24 PM PDT

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 It flies the Confederate flag (1+ / 0-)

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and it's capitol grounds and lost millions of convention and visitors dollars by doing so; but the white folks who call the shots don't care.

It's all thinly veiled racism.

 "....thinly veiled...."? Sound like they've put.. (2+ / 0-)

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flashing neon lights on it, and are proudly trumpeting it.

..better that money be spent in the U.S. building windmills than squandered in the ME for Bush-McCain to tilt at them. -andydoubtless

by Hornito on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 07:26:19 PM PDT

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 They elected Lindsey Graham (11+ / 0-)

to the Senate for god sake.  How freekin' progressive can a state be if that asshat is in the Senate.  Oh wait, I'm from NC and we have Liddy Dole and Richard Burr.  Nevermind.

I often wonder if Nancy and Harry were really outraged about the K-Street project or just pissed that they didn't think of it first.

by rogereaton on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:38:04 PM PDT

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 Lindsey Graham = Smithers (17+ / 0-)

to McCain's Montgomery Burns

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by sea2008 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:39:38 PM PDT

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 EXXXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (6+ / 0-)

I often wonder if Nancy and Harry were really outraged about the K-Street project or just pissed that they didn't think of it first.

by rogereaton on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:41:05 PM PDT

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 I don't understand (5+ / 0-)

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what Andrew Rice, from Oklahoma, is doing in this diary with his poll numbers.

Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

by Pager on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:41:42 PM PDT

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 Nice Catch.... (2+ / 0-)

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Maybe it's a typo by Markos, intended to cite Lindsey Graham's challenger, whoever that is.

 I am not that optomistic about Georiga mainly (3+ / 0-)

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because the Atlanta region is so conservative. While Atlanta City and DeKalb and Clayton counties vote Democratic, the rest of the exurbs and suburbs around Atlanta are heavily Republican. Counties like Forsyth vote Republican with punishing, brutal numbers. I think that Bush won more than 80% of the vote in Forsyth in 2000. Obama will have to play better in the suburbs and northern GA if he is to be even remotely competitive in that state.

 Agree 100% (5+ / 0-)

For Christ Sake, please don't waste resources in these states chasing a dream.

I'm a southerner and know these folks. Forget it. Ain't gonna happen.

Let's chase a possible dream.

As I sail against the tide, for what I believe is right.

by Toes on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:45:38 PM PDT

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 Good Undecided Number (2+ / 0-)

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I love it that our team is so narrowly behind here --  with only 53% McSame to 40% for Obama, and a huge 7% Undecided. I mean, what's to decide? Obama is black. He's BLACK. The Democratic candidate for President is BLACK!

It wasn't so long ago that any election in South Carolina involving a black candidate would have yielded an Undecided share in the polls of 0% -- that is, zero per cent undecided. So it's real progress that so many voters in Dixieland are trying to decide if they are ready to cast their ballot for a black man for President. If their minds were completely closed to the possibility, they'd be counted for McCain already.

We can see from the Bush approval figures that a big majority wants Change. That so many Southern voters are Undecided at this point about getting really BIG change with Obama means we actually have a chance to win their votes in November.

Adding the Undecided voters to Obama's column gives us a 53/47 split. Better than that if Bob Barr were included and got 1 or 2% out of McSame's hide.

Not a bad showing, not bad at all for late July.

 Well I remember Obama (9+ / 0-)

getting a much higher percentage of the white vote in the primary than he did in any of the polls that led up to it.

Even so, I don't think SC was ever really better than a Tier 2 or Tier 3 target.

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by smash artist on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:32:55 PM PDT

 Yeah, I remember that. It was probably (5+ / 0-)

the first time Obama won the expectations game for the primary.

 Please Publish or Confirm Not Polled (1+ / 0-)

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If you polled the Senate race, please publish the results.  Sites like 538.com will not list polls from partisan sources who selectively publish polls.  You've established the credibility of the DKos commisioned polls by publishing even when the results have not been good for the Democrat.  Please continue to publish all info.

 What did Kerry lose by in this state? nt (1+ / 0-)

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by bosdcla14 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:34:28 PM PDT

 Only 17pts..... (7+ / 0-)

Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

by Scarce on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:35:22 PM PDT

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 This ranks among the least surprising things ... (14+ / 0-)

... I've seen in a while. I mean, FWIW, my guess is that Obama's probably got a better chance of winning Arizona than South Carolina.

That's OK. Polls this far out from Election Day don't necessarily predict voting patterns then, and Obama doesn't have to beat McSame everywhere, just enough to gain a secure lead in the Electoral College. Of course, every additional percentage point and state he can carry after that can only help us down the ticket and in Congress.

 I've never thought SC was in play. (11+ / 0-)

NC on the other hand, prob.  GA, if they do register the 500k AAs, can definitely be put it play.

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by dlh77489 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:35:57 PM PDT

 NC's a long shot (1+ / 0-)

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But it's within the realm of possibility. SC, on the other hand, is within the realm of Narnia.

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by GrouchoKossak on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:55:33 PM PDT

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 Sigh, these people truly deserve the misery (7+ / 0-)

they are voting for year after year after year. Incredible.

Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

by Joe B on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:12 PM PDT

 nobody deserves the misery (8+ / 0-)

inflicted by Bush/McCain doctrine. Nobody.

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by Albatross on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:40:59 PM PDT

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 It is a miserable state (2+ / 0-)

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Go to the rural areas and there is deep poverty. Of course it is much worse in the (segregated) black towns. The poverty is there even in so-called good economic times, I'm not tallking about now.

Remember, it was the first state to secede from the union in 1860 and so many there still think the civil war was a just cause.

It was also home to Strom Thurmond, the original Dixiecrat segregationist turned republican, who believed in segregation for everyone except for his own penis, when he had sex with an underaged black house servent back in his youth and fathered a baby that was kept in secret until he died at age 100 or so.

He was the face of southern republicanism and hypocricy. So what else is new or surprising about republicans and South Carolina?      

The most successful war seldom pays for its losses. - Thomas Jefferson

by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:58:05 PM PDT

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 Speaking as a South Carolinian (6+ / 0-)

I'd just like to say that a surprising number of people in the state do not fit the stereotype you have of us.  The vast, vast majority of South Carolinians are not burning crosses on lawns, aspiring to slave ownership, etc.  Most folks in the state are just living life.  There are assholes, but there are assholes everywhere (we just have more than our fair share).

Also, I'm not sure I fully understand the link between "It is a miserable state" and rural poverty.  Are you saying it's miserable because it has poverty?  Lots of places have poverty.  The problem I have with SC isn't the poverty as such.  It's the smug Republicans who don't do anything about it.  And the Democratic Party that lacks organization and enthusiasm after a complete turnover of the political establishment in less than a decade.  And the smug regionalism that writes us off every time this issue comes up.

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by socratic on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:15:33 PM PDT

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 I'm from SC (4+ / 0-)

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It is hard in South Carolina to win as a Dem.  The problem lies as Socratic puts it that the Dems in South Carolina can't seem to get behind the idea of expanding the playing field.  Running truly progressive dems and having a system that could support them even if they lose would put a lot of counties in play merely from actually hearing a progressive message, which few of them ever do.

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by Parmenides on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:38:54 PM PDT

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 sigh indeed. (5+ / 0-)

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I have lived in SC most of my life, and there are pockets of progressiveness, ie, the coast, Charleston, larger cities, but the rest of the state might as well be 1954.  A small, beautiful state, but cemented in the past.  15% of the white vote statewide is a good sign, believe me.  

They also really like McCain there.  Lots of retired military, lots of older people.  

I have a lot of work to do...only hope in SC is register every single young person and African American and make sure they vote.

 Only 15% of the white vote? (6+ / 0-)

Fuck South Carolina.

'A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking.' ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Apocalypse Please on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:24 PM PDT

 and this is one of the states (4+ / 0-)

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that New jerseyans speak wistfully of retiring to, where there are no taxes or pesky teacher unions and most of all, not much of "the element." Oh, and no snow. People from NJ hate snow with a purple passion. All nine inches of it last winter.

 No Teachers Unions in SC? (1+ / 0-)

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Aren't all public school teachers in all states covered by the NEA?

 They have poor public schools!!! (1+ / 0-)

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 some associations are very weak (3+ / 0-)

and people in NJ think the teachers union is a powerful, evil entity thatis sucking them dry with property taxes ( an ideea aided by the corporate press ) the perception here is that the teachers associations ( there's a reason it's called an association; it's not a union the way the teamsters are; the NEA is kinda gentle ) are much less powerful and held in check in southern states. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. perception is what counts.

 is SC where they were going to create (4+ / 0-)

an evangelistic community, and push out other folks so there could be a state full of god-fearin' christian white folks, everywhere, all the time? There was a website, and folks were going to get jobs, and all sorts of stuff.

Guess it didn't catch on.

If we cannot elect this man, we don't deserve him.

by lisastar on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:48:58 PM PDT

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 They seceded from the union once before (2+ / 0-)

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and were the very first state to do so.

Let's call it for what it was - TREASON. When reich-wingers do it, they think it's something honorable.

The most successful war seldom pays for its losses. - Thomas Jefferson

by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:00:38 PM PDT

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 Yeah and we all know how important (4+ / 0-)

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1860 is to the 2008 election.

South Carolina - the first presentation of an opera in the colonies in (then) Charles Town.

South Carolina - the birthplace of Reform Judaism in the United States (in which my ancestry played a large part).

South Carolina - where a judges dissent from a Federal district court upholding "separate but equal" forms the basis for the Supreme Court's overturning that decision.

South Carolina - birthplace of Stephen Colbert.

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by arielle on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:14:40 PM PDT

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 Actually it is (1+ / 0-)

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I see the map of old Dixie the last few elections and I see reliable republican territory. It may be changing along the I-95 corridor in VA and near DC in general and to a lesser extent in NC but the civil war has a lot to do with continuing American divisions.

And there are good people and assholes in every state of the union, perhaps on every road or street longer than a short distance.

Not every person living in SC in 1860 wished to secede, and not every person living in Pennylvania was a saint, that's obvious.

The most successful war seldom pays for its losses. - Thomas Jefferson

by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:22:51 PM PDT

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 Look up (2+ / 0-)

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"Purple map". We've gone over this a thousand times with those who make the mistake of stereotyping. I try personally  to realise it IS stereotyping when i do thus and is the same thing as racism.

BTW what states gave us Reagan? Schwarzeneiger? Juliani? The Riots? 41 shots to an innocent black man and a commendation of the officers by the mayor?

The continued losses in the south have more to do with corporatism and abandonment of the working classes by the democratic party than with skin color

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

by cdreid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 08:37:13 PM PDT

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 Don't forget Mayor Daley. (1+ / 0-)

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The only mayor in America to tell the National Guard to shoot to kill his own citizens.

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by Odysseus on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:37:40 AM PDT

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 Yes (0+ / 0-)

The Daley family runs the most rampantly unabashedly corrupt  political machine outside the Bush/Cheney regime. With of course NYC as a close rival. Very racist . Very right wing. Very very very corrupt.

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

by cdreid on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:02:40 PM PDT

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 Yep, "Christian" Exodus (2+ / 0-)

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The idea isn't as far-fetched as it may sound, said Laura Olson, a political science professor at Clemson University who studies religion's influence on politics.

"In many states I would say no chance, but in a state like South Carolina ... where lots of people are on that sort of boat to begin with, it's the sort of thing that's not unfathomable," she said.

http://www.usatoday.com/...

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by fantanel on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:04:14 PM PDT

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 Thanks. (6+ / 0-)

Remind me never to set foot there again. I will miss you Charleston.

Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

by Bensdad on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:44 PM PDT

 I'm with you. (3+ / 0-)

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I do miss Charleston, but having lived in SC briefly, I am shocked that he even got 15%...

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by jarhead5536 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:38:51 PM PDT

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 This sounds like a limerick.... (0+ / 0-)

...but I once met a guy in Savannah,
Who greeted me with a giant banana,
On weekends in Beaufort he rode tanks
When he rolled over me I said thanks
As he left I said "Oh, yes we canna".

Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

by Bensdad on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:28:58 PM PDT

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 In other words (11+ / 0-)

We're not going to win South Carolina. I'm shocked.

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by RandySF on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:36:50 PM PDT

 We need a Utah poll now (20+ / 0-)

/snark

Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

by Scarce on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:37:08 PM PDT

 McCain will win (3+ / 0-)

UT and SC, along with maybe AL...

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by jarhead5536 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:45:41 PM PDT

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 And GA n/t (0+ / 0-)

Vote for Senator Badass -- because we can't afford four more years of President Dumbass.

by GrouchoKossak on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:57:23 PM PDT

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 Hyperventilator. (4+ / 0-)

Prof. McCain
Iraq is to Pakistan's rear,
While Czechoslovakia's here.
Sunnis are Shi'a,
Sudan is Somalia,
and Putin's the German premier.

by Michael D on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:37:11 PM PDT

 A state where dissing the Stars n Bars.... (4+ / 0-)

...gets you in hot water is just not fertile ground for hope and change.

I think he could pull within 10, on a good outin within 5 but any election in which Obama wins SC it is questionable that he loses anywhere...

 Also a place where dissing the Confederate flag.. (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
cskendrick, James Kresnik

..gets you in hot water and McCain has done that in the past. Poor South Carolina, having to choose between someone who publicly denounced the confederate flag and a black guy--between a rock and a hard place.  

Unfortunat