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Take it From a College Prof: Obama's 'Missing' Paper is Another Conservative Red Herring

Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:21:52 PM PDT

(From the diaries -- Susan)

Conservative columnists have been trying to make a big deal about a paper that Barack Obama wrote when he was a student at Columbia University - they seem to think the fact that no one has a copy is a sign that Obama has something to hide. MSNBC's First Read has the whole story.

Here's the reality - which I happen to know as a Professor of Communication and Media Studies at Fordham University:

Colleges and universities do not usually keep or formally retain copies of undergraduate papers. If we do not return them to students at the end of the term, we might hold on to them in our offices for a few months into the next term, in case a student wants to come by and pick up the paper. That's it - they're gone after that (even in my messy office).
PhD dissertations and sometimes Masters theses are indeed kept on file both by universities, and by central repositories (such as University Microfilms - UMI). But Obama's paper was neither a doctoral dissertation or a masters thesis.
In fact, it would be a violation of a student's privacy for a professor to provide any journalist with a copy of a student paper.
Students are of course free to do with their papers as they please. But how many of you still have copies of your college papers? I don't (though for some reason I did keep a high school paper I wrote about Charles De Gaulle way back when. Go figure.) But there's no reason to think that Obama kept any of his college papers.

Hey, this whole subject is a good topic for a paper - maybe I'll assign it to my students at Fordham this Fall.

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by PaulLev on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 01:33:00 PM PDT

 Elitist! n/t (19+ / 0-)

"Certainly, accounting for different conditions in that different country and conditions are certainly different." -- Sarah Palin, V-P Debate

by Frankenoid on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 02:17:31 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

 They're just desperate... (17+ / 0-)

They are ready to try anything to get any advantage over Obama.  Just wait, the really nasty stuff is coming out when the GE cycle starts after the conventions.

I think it's going to backfire on them though.

They are desperate.

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by Josiah Bartlett on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 02:46:13 PM PDT

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 No Kidding (17+ / 0-)

The dumbass currently in the White House conveniently can't locate papers to indicate where he actually was when he was supposed to be in the fucking military, but Obama's inability to produce a paper he submitted for a college course is big news?  Heaven forbid the rightwing blowhard jackasses find out that the fingerpainting that Obama made when he was 4 years old has not been seen since it was spotted hanging on a refrigerator door in 1965.  

 Its not about the facts, though. (7+ / 0-)

Its about spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) about the candidate.

I'm sure that those that are pushing this drivel know perfectly well that no college or university keeps undergrad papers and that they will be refuted in short order. That's not the point. The point is to drop yet another trope that suggests that Obama is an unknown quantity and is therefore scary and too risky to vote for.

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by kingubu on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:56:32 PM PDT

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 The GOP should be careful what it wishes for: (6+ / 0-)

If they get hold of the paper somehow, it will turn out that Obama at 21 had a better understanding of international affairs and bargaining with tough adversaries than McCain at 71, or ever before, for that matter.

 Like McCain ever wrote a paper worth saving... (2+ / 0-)

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from what I read about his Annapolis days, McMaverick was definitely not a scholar.

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by MrJersey on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43:11 PM PDT

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 Didn't Clinton's campaign find this? (1+ / 0-)

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I thought that they had gotten their hands on something he made in elementary school.  Something completely irrelevant like that.

Also, I was under the impression that this wasn't just a paper for a course but his undergraduate thesis.  I would thing that something as important as a thesis should be at least stored in the university's library system, honestly, but I suppose maybe it isn't.

Also, this isn't to you specifically, but we should keep our eyes open for hypocrisy, because we like to talk about McCain's class rank at the Naval Academy (5th from the bottom out of nearly 900) and Bush's academic performance in college.  I've seen plenty of articles criticizing that and what he was like at yale and HBS, about how he was a boorish class clown with ridiculous views about poor people, etc.  I would say that the contents of Obama's thesis are, at least, as important as those things, which is to say that it's not very important at all.

 equal parts desperation and idiocy (2+ / 0-)

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well maybe 30/70

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by TNThorpe on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:22:37 PM PDT

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 I don't think the college-educated crowd (24+ / 0-)

is their target market with this innuendo.

Sigh.  This is really stupid.  I don't have every paper I wrote in college, not by a long shot...the few that survived did so because they were buried in a box of miscellaneous crap in my parents' garage.  I doubt my profs are still cherishing each example of my keen intellect at this late date, either.

Maybe people don't remember what it was like, back in the days when we had to TYPE college papers on a TYPEWRITER and could not produce copies at will, or save the data to a disk or anything.

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by jenesq on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:23:18 PM PDT

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 Does McSame have (8+ / 0-)

any of the papers he wrote in college, when he was graduating in the lowest 1% of his class. Did he even write papers?

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by Mnemosyne on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:23:52 PM PDT

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 The question is did they have paper back when (8+ / 0-)

McCain was in college?  I thought they invented the wheel in his Sophomore year....  XD

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by fromdabak on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:34:58 PM PDT

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 I'm sure they had papyrus... (6+ / 0-)

er...no...clay tablets with cuneiform wedges.

 I wonder (2+ / 0-)

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I would love to read one of McCain's papers.  Back then it was easier to buy a paper because the prof couldn't run a search on it.  

 They didn't have paper when McCain was in college (3+ / 0-)

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they used clay tablets

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by LionelEHutz on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:02:01 PM PDT

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 Don't remind me! (2+ / 0-)

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Writing them out long-hand, crossing out stuff you didn't like and scribbling your revisions in the margins, and then trying to decipher all of it and get it typed out with no mistakes. And of course I never started the typing until 11 pm the night before.

 Even I have your love letters (/snark) (3+ / 0-)

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by captainlaser on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:38:18 PM PDT

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 There is a turnabout is fair play (0+ / 0-)

angle to it.

The whole Rathergate thing was the culmination of a search for missing papers, too, carried out by people who seem to think the military (especially the National Guard) is both far more efficient and far more accurate than it really is.

The papers aren't the same, but the same logical fallacy lies at the bottom of both searches: ie, the absence of paperwork equals the absence of events.

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by dinotrac on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:27:20 PM PDT

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 Not really... (2+ / 0-)

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There is a lot of documentation of Bush's TANG record.

The only thing in the Killian memo that wasn't backed up by official records was Killian's personal feelings. There is no doubt Bush was suspended for failing to take his annual physical and no doubt he ever returned to flying.

Here are the docs, click on the PDF marked #18:

http://www.usatoday.com/...

You will find a official order from Major General Francis Greenlief, Chief of the National Guard Bureau, demanding Bush take his physical. He never complied. (The page is about halfway through the PDF marked paragraph 6).

Immediately below Bush's order is an order for another member of the same unit to also take his physical. The redacted name is James R. Bath, Bush's drinking buddy... and future lawyer for the Bin Laden family.  Small world.

 Ummm...Not what I was talking about. (0+ / 0-)

I'm talking about the Boston Globe and Mary Mapes's relentless search for missing records.

That really is the same kind of thing.

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by dinotrac on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 07:27:26 PM PDT

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 I think hope that military records (0+ / 0-)

are better kept than college papers.  A military record is more like a college transcript which I would expect a college to keep and have access to.  I wonder what a military equivalent to a paper would be?  A memo not related to service evaluations?

If Obama did not fulfill the requirements for graduating from college, we would have found those records.

Bush did not want to take a physical and was too busy to finish his obligations.  He did not graduate from the National Guard. We expect the National Guard to keep track of who completed their service.

Hey.  On January 23rd could we ask Bush to come back and finish his obligations by serving out his time in the Guard.  I am sure his old unit could use a hand.

 Better than college papers, for sure (0+ / 0-)

And I'll bet they're kept a whole lot better now than they used to be...

And it's not just keeping, it's creating them correctly in the first place.

Screw-ups are legion, which makes all those "The Army doesn't make mistakes, soldier" stories funny.

Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

by dinotrac on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:31:20 AM PDT

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 I am a college professor too (4+ / 0-)

At the start of the new term, I dump everything left over from the old term.  If I didn't, I would be buried in paper.  

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by MadScientist on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:39:43 PM PDT

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 Dirty Little Secret of Professors (3+ / 0-)

You do keep a copy of a paper or essay if it's really, hilariously, amazingly bad.  Where do people think Richard Lederer gets all those quotes for "Anguished English?"  

Otherwise we'd never have heard that "Sir Francis Drake circumsized the world with a 40 foot clipper."

If any of McSame's professors were still alive, I bet they'd have stories to tell.

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by Helena Handbag on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:50:03 PM PDT

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 As a professor the ONLY reason I'd keep a (4+ / 0-)

paper would be to model the paper to other students (and ONLY with the author's permission). I've got a few I've kept around for 10 years or so, maybe a dozen out of the hundreds (thousands?) I've graded.

Ironic that these conservative knobshines like to slash education budgets yet somehow they expect every professor to have storage space for moldy, 25-year old papers. Good god do they need to get a life.

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by frankzappatista on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 05:55:45 PM PDT

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 So he wrote this when??? (2+ / 0-)

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Twenty years ago?  Yeah, I dumped every semester, and when I retired I had a great going out of business sale--or giveaway--of textbooks galore (publshers' copies, etc.) I kept gradebooks for a couple of years in case I was contacted by the gov. for some other kid getting security clearance... Within a year or two, even those went. [Side note: why was it that every time I got contacted about a security clearance it was for some kid I didn't remember at all--and who had made a C?]

These guys have very little understanding of the real world!

 And you don't think that your students may become (0+ / 0-)

candidates for the Presidency and their undergraduate tomes will become a part of history.  How short sighted (snark).

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by MrJersey on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 10:46:55 PM PDT

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 Agreed... (0+ / 0-)

...this has desperation written all over it for the Rs to drag this kind of thing out.  Sometimes the tabloid style crap works (like the whole Vince Foster thing) but this kind of crap most people look at and say... "uhh... what? Wtf?"

 Oh no no no... (23+ / 0-)

We want them to waste as much friggin time as possible on this. The birth certificate insanity is winding down. Lately they have spent crazy amounts of time trying to prove the provided certificate is a fake-- they did this after the state government confirmed it was real. After finding a birth notice in the local paper from 1961, one of their "researchers" hypothesized that the Obama campaign had intentionally led them on a wild goose chase to make them waste hundreds of hours.

Imagine how much time they will waste trying to hunt down the Great White Thesis.

 Seriously... (7+ / 0-)

...what the diarist wrote is beyond obvious to anyone who knows anything about college teaching. This here is some hard-core straw-grasping.

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by klizard on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:17:25 PM PDT

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 yes, (1+ / 0-)

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 What terrible horrible thing is this missing (5+ / 0-)

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paper supposed to say? Something unpatriotic no doubt, and probably Muslim.

THe wingnuts just can't believe they aren't going to find THE HIDDEN SCANDAL that will finish Obama off. Hannity is so disappointed about Ayers falling short that he's practically in tears.

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by Fiona West on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:28:05 PM PDT

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 It was supposedly a paper dealing with (4+ / 0-)

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arms control policy, so the Goopers instinctively believe it must be filled with lavish praise for the workers' state and calls for total capitulation. No matter if it argued for a surprise first strike, the Goopers would read it as a pinko love letter.

 Good lord! If this "gains traction" (1+ / 0-)

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our electoral system and our media are irretrievably broken. An undergraduate paper? How many stupid things did we all write in our undergraduate papers, many times just to be provocative. My senior year in college we were supposed to spend the year researching a "crucial question" and writing about it. Most students tackled issues such as euthanasia or whether to legalize abortion (I was pre-Roe v. Wade). I thought the entire assignment was stupid and chose to be snarky: I wrote about "The importance of being rich" and used fashion magazines as my primary source material. I got an A on it! I save everything religiously but I don't think I have a copy of it.

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by anastasia p on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 07:00:38 PM PDT

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 My undergraduate institution kept a copy of... (27+ / 0-)

a thesis I wrote for 'college honors' (which mainly meant an extra gold sash around my neck during graduation) and put it on file in the library. I found it interesting to look through the folder of other 'honors' theses to see how mine compared (favorably, I thought).

But, as a teacher myself, I agree with you about typical classwork assignments - if students don't pick them up within a few months after the end of the semester, they go into the shredder.

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by va dare on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 01:57:58 PM PDT

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 an honors thesis is sometimes saved (9+ / 0-)

by the department

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by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 02:46:48 PM PDT

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 True (2+ / 0-)

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Our Honors Program kept ours. But that's not what this is. This was supposedly just some paper.

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by GrouchoKossak on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 04:37:18 PM PDT

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 Shows appalling ignorance (6+ / 0-)

I'm a prof, and I can tell you that BA Honors theses, MA Honors theses, and PhD Dissertations are kept on file but regular term papers can be tossed after three semesters. Otherwise we'd be awash in paper.

The McCain campaign is getting pathetically desperate.  

 Agree 100% (19+ / 0-)

As a college prof, I keep papers for 5 years. That's what my university requires. After that they get shredded.

The exception is "extraordinary papers" like honors theses, MA theses and that kind of stuff, which goes to the library.

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by AndrewMC on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 02:09:57 PM PDT

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