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WSJ editor shocked to find press slobbering over Gitmo detainees
I see the Wall Street Journal editorial-page writer (and former Bush speechwriter) William McGurn is upset about the fawningly sympathetic way that the Gitmo detainees are being portrayed in the mainstream press:
A few days ago, Mr. Khadr’s attorneys released a videotape from February 2003 of their client being questioned by visiting Canadian officials. At first he was hopeful, but he quickly became sullen and withdrawn when he realized the Canadians were not going to get him out. The tape shows the young man, then 16, crying for his mother, and complaining about treatment for the wounds he suffered while fighting alongside al Qaeda.
The response has been illuminating. The Montreal Gazette calls him “a victim,” “not a villain.” Closer to home, our headlines run along the lines of “Tape shows ‘frightened boy,’” “Teen on video: ‘Help me, help me’” or “Teenage detainee pleads for help, tells of torture on video; Rights group seeks immediate release.” About the only one willing to say anything unpleasant about Mr. Khadr is the soldier who lost an eye in the same firefight in which Mr. Khadr is alleged to have thrown the grenade that killed Army Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer.
It’s a good point, and McGurn draws a deft contrast between the hand-wringing over Khadr with the press’s glowering treatment of Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington.
Still, Mr. McGurn shouldn’t be surprised. As his own paper so memorably recorded, fawning press coverage of the Gitmo detainees is no accident.
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In other Gitmo news, here’s another setback for prosecutors trying to bring Osama bin Laden’s driver to justice.
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Flashback (from MM): February 2005: The story behind Omar Khadr.
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Yes this poor “victim” boy was actualy trying to kill non-muslims. (hint that includes the idiots in the press who love him). If he is old enough to fight then he is old enough to pay the price (hint 2: it is illegal unser international law to recrute children under the age of 18 to fight, wheres you f$%^ing human rights crusaders on THAT????)
The tape shows the young man, then 16, crying for his mother, and complaining about treatment for the wounds he suffered while fighting alongside al Qaeda.
Okay. Let’s end the pity party right there.
This is just a preview of the circus to come if Obama takes the helm. Because it speaks volumes about moonbats that they are more worried about a 16 year old who has been properly detained and fed crying out to his mama because these evil infidels keep him locked up for fighting along AQ and killing a US soldier and taking the eye of another. Sickening, but I bet TOS and lgm and Rusty are fawning over this 16 year old terrorist and murderer.
About the only one willing to say anything unpleasant about Mr. Khadr is the soldier who lost an eye in the same firefight in which Mr. Khadr is alleged to have thrown the grenade that killed Army Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer.
Pity party?
I think the kid needs an Oscar party, he could surely win best actor!
I’m shocked that they’re SHOCKED! The MSM sucks up to everyone except the american public. They have consistantly fauned over terrorists, illegal immigrants and hollywood types, while calling us racist and reminding us that the rest of the world hates us. The latest project is to ram Obama down our throats as the savior of us all. Anti-christ comes to mind.
Here on my blog is a CBS 60 Minutes report on Kadr. It shows him working on landmines trying to kill US soldiers.
Pity parties for the enemy like this are why I am sure we will run from afganistan as well if Obama wins.
And just where the blazes has William McGurn been for the last number of years that he is just now realizing the bias of the MSM? …
C’mon … Gimme a break …
It is good that he is writing about this … (after all … better late than never) … but he has been AWOL for years on this matter allowing the MSM to go unchallenged in the print media spewing their BS.
Why is nobody mentioning the fact that this ‘boy’ started claiming his eyes and feet were taken while in prison, most likely because the camera appeared to be hidden, so he thought it was only a voice recording.
I’m not sure I would class this ‘boy’ as a murderer, because his actions were in a time of war and in a war zone, so he is a POW really, as opposed to a murderer, but he certainly is not innocent.
Also, to the culture-conscious liberals who want this innocent boy released, how about you practice that same culture-consciousness and realize that in many countries, childhood ends a lot earlier than it does it America (and Canada), and in his culture, he is not a boy at all, but a grown man, and therefore expected to be responsible for his actions, just as an adult in the US is. Another liberal double standard.
I wonder what John Murtha has to say about this kid?I’m sure it’s something along the lines of being an innocent victim who was at the wrong place at the wrong time (of course omitting that he was willfully doing the wrong thing too).
The Main Stream Media facilitates this Liberal unctuousness predominantly because it is staffed with double digit IQ legacies from Ivy League Universities. These shallow wannabes chose Journalism because they couldn’t cut it in their Universities’ School of Education s/. The good news is that these Pansys are literally being hoisted on their own petard as Liberal Newspapers, Networks, and Magazines are eliminating thousands of these dorks as they try to remain afloat.
The best part is that these idiots are too stupid to understand why, and are continuing down the same path. See the New York Times refusal to run McCain’s editorial.
Prepare for 4 more years of a ‘Carter’ presidency–hmmmm…I wonder who’ll be his ‘Mondale’?
*shudders*
nyc123me #9 & 10
Just one correction to your posts … these terrorists are not POWs … they are enemy combatants …
By Geneva Conventions definition … they are not part of a nation’s “military forces” … they are not in “recognizable uniforms” … and as such are not “clearly distinguishable” from the civilian populace …
Therefore … according to the Geneva Conventions … they are classified as spies and can actually be executed on the spot … so we didn’t even have to take them as prisoners based on that …
The Montreal Gazette calls him “a victim,†“not a villain.â€
Oh this poor, misguided “kid!” I knew watching too much Linda Elerbee on “Nick-News” (yes, it’s on in Canada too) would prove a bad influence on today’s youth. sarc/
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
Murderous thugs come in all sizes and ages. Khadr was bred to it. I have no pity to spare him or the others who are under the influence of this brutal version of a religion.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
Do you have proof of torure or have you been reading the NY Times again ?
Accusations of torture by terrorists doesnt make it fact. And I thought we were suppose to have a presumption of innocence in this country or that doesnt apply to our military ?
BTW LGM click on my link above to see kadr himself making explosives to kill GIs and then argue he is “Innocent”
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
Okay, then, lgm. Would you be so kind as to tell us, how would we then get the information necessary to prevent other terrorist attacks?
Somehow, someway, something tells me they are NOT going to tell us of their own free will!
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
What “torture” would that be, lgm?
Do we just need to go with the option that DL pointed out about executing them on the spot and not taking any prisoners? It could save us a lot of the arguing over their victimhood.
LGM: Do you have proof this child soldier (illegal under international law) was tortured? Didn’t think so.
#20 It is moraly better in LGM world to lose 4 million to a nuke than to touch a single hair on the head of a bad guy.
What “torture†would that be, lgm?
why anything that those poor victims of white amerikkkan greed and racism might not like!!
libs know whats best for all of us! and only they can define whats ‘fair’ and ‘just’ and ‘torture’
because they’re legends in their own minds…
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
Making uneducated statements based on the hearsay of terrorist turns otherwise intelligent (maybe) people into blathering idiots.
I’m at the point that if the islamic terrorists attack a blue area…who cares? why bother to defend places like san francisco, or NY?
the blue devils have betrayed our troops, so why should they be defended?
Torture turns a villain into a victim
I have asked many people why not just hypnotise the terrorist? A decent hypnotist will have them under in minutes and will convince him that he is reporting to Osama. It is not all difficult to do and the subject won’t even know he talked.
William Amos said (#18):
Do you have proof of torure?
I have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty.
tre said (#20):
Okay, then, would you be so kind as to tell us, how would we then get the information necessary to prevent other terrorist attacks?
Actual experts (the generals, not the politicians) say you don’t get reliable information from torture.
Why am I reminded of that Oingo Boingo song “Only A Lad?” That Khadr kid is abused and a little bit confused!
I figured out why lgm defends them so much.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
I absolutely agree, for once.
My big question…did he actually throw the grenade that killed the solider?
If he did, we should execute him and throw him out the back door like the piece of human refuse he is.
That seems fair
I have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty.
The evidence that suggest these people are guilty is the fact that they were caught on the battlefield.
By your logic, this means that you would have had to witness torture, which clearly you didn’t (and no, knowing that we have to read your asinine comments is not torture, however close).
On July 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:
I have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty.
Wow! Our troops actually caught them in the act of trying to kill our side. You mean your liberal friends and you actually caught our guys in the act of torturing enemy combatants? Well, lgm, I will never doubt you again. /sarcasm off
On July 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm, Blind_Mule said:
I figured out why lgm defends them so much.
ROFLMAO Ooooh! I think I just hurt myself laughing sooooo hard!
Torture turns a villain into a victim.
I think that was in their play book.
Thanks to the MSM.
And there are many reasons maybe to do it.
have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty
watch the video and tell me if Kadr is guilty or not
On July 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm, William Amos said:
have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty
watch the video and tell me if Kadr is guilty or not
As damning as that video is, William, lgm would never acknowledge that it shows him to be engaging in terrorist activities by making bombs, etc.
If he even acknowledges your link to it, he will spin it somehow.
Actual experts (the generals, not the politicians) say you don’t get reliable information from torture.
Since the USA hasn’t suffered from a terrorist attack since September 11, 2001, I’d say that whatever they ARE doing must be working.
So, I say to them, keep up the good work.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
What “world”, lgm? Your world? Only the pansies, sissies, libtards, and girly men of the world believe that. Only those with absolutely no sense of right and wrong can think of these murderous thugs as “victims”.
lgm: you seriously need some testosterone.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Torture turns a villain into a victim. We’ve turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.
lgm knows about torture. He knows Michelle permits him to torture us almost daily.
Oh, and Barry, you owe me two more flats! ROFL
Everyone wants to be # 1 at something. LGM has apparently chosen to be the #1 liberal idiot on this forum.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
Oh, and Barry, you owe me two more flats! ROFL
Wait a minute. What did I do?
Everyone wants to be # 1 at something. LGM has apparently chosen to be the #1 liberal idiot on this forum.
It could be worse. Have you ever stomached reading the comments on any of the Politco articles for a few seconds? Now that’s torture.
First I would have tortured him to get information, then I would have killed him…. NEXT!
Rob said (#43):
First I would have tortured him to get information, then I would have killed him…. NEXT!
I’m sure you would. Now get the heck out of my country. Your attitude would be welcome in Iran or China.
Now get the heck out of my country
You first. As a start, you get get the heck of this blog.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm, lgm said:
I’m sure you would. Now get the heck out of my country. Your attitude would be welcome in Iran or China.
And, yours would be “welcome” in someplace like France. Will you be moving anytime soon?
Do we know if anyone has distributed Tennyson’s knee pads to the
journalistsgroupies on Obama’s world tour?Hey, Soap? You never did tell me what I did to owe you “two flats.“
On July 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm, lgm said:
I’m sure you would. Now get the heck out of my country. Your attitude would be welcome in Iran or China.
Both countries you seem to think are WAY better than the USA under bush.
LGM - little girly man said: Now get the heck out of my country.
And therein is the problem and difference. You want it to be YOUR country; a country of weak-kneed liberals concerned with the politically correct feelings of those intent of destroying our country. We, on the other hand, want it to be Reagan’s American; a strong confident nation devoid of illegals, gang members, eco-terrorists, Muslim extremists and malcontents like you!
Hey LGM. they want to kill you too, you moron!
sillygatboy said:
Hey, they want to kill you too, you moron!
Maybe, but they don’t scare me. Al Qaida is a bunch of punks. There are more traffic deaths than deaths from terrorism. Why don’t you hyperventilate over drunk drivers who want to kill us?
Punks?They would slice and dice you in a heartbeat,lgm and get off doing it.There’s nothing wrong with a little torture if it’s to your advantage.
It really disgusts me the way the MSM has turned to treason and sedition when rooting for these captured unlawful combatants as described under the Geneva Conventions and Law of Armed Conflict.
lgm being an academic I am surprised you have never read any of the writings of Winston Churchill especially his famous line about feeding the alligator hoping he will eat you last.
Maybe, but they don’t scare me. Al Qaida is a bunch of punks. There are more traffic deaths than deaths from terrorism. Why don’t you hyperventilate over drunk drivers who want to kill us?
True Ted Kennedy does scare me.
Did you drink from the stupid cup this morning LGM? How many drunk drivers actually want to kill people?
Anyways, Omar Khadr is a traitor to Canadians, his family openly supports Al Qaida and has gotten it pretty easy in GITMO. Maybe if Canadians weren’t comprised of a majority of limp wristed ass-clowns, society here would quickly see that Khadr is only a victim of his own action.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 12:28 pm, taylork said:
By your logic,
Silly Rabbit/Sucka. There is no lgm logic–only a series of non-sequiturs and unanswered questions.
lgm - little girly man said: “Al Qaida is a bunch of punks”
Yeah, you talk tough.. but as they are sawing off your head with a rusty blade… you see how tough you talk.
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Boomer said (#54):
It really disgusts me the way the MSM has turned to treason and sedition when rooting for these captured unlawful combatants as described under the Geneva Conventions and Law of Armed Conflict.
What sedition? Links please. Asking that someone get a fair trial is not the same as rooting for him. Nobody rooted for the Nuremberg Nazis, but America stood taller for giving them fair trials.
being an academic I am surprised you have never read any of the writings of Winston Churchill
Academics are very specialized and not always that intellectual. The hard core theoretical physicist might not know much about Shakespeare and the hard core historian might not know calculus. Life is too short.
Academics are very specialized and not always that intellectual.
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got that right.
Asking that someone get a fair trial is not the same as rooting for him.
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Yeah sure, nudge nudge wink wink.
BTW Did you know how many gitmo detainees they release have killed more american soldiers? Quite a few.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, lgm said:
Sniveling lefties
Tortureturns a villain into a victim. We’ve (me and my sniveling friends in the media) turned Al Qaida operatives into victims in the eyes of the world. It’s one of the many reasons not to do it.…all the while ignoring everything these poor little jihadis have done killing innocents.
GAD some people are so foolish.
On July 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:
William Amos said (#18):
Do you have proof of torure?
I have as much evidence that there was torture as you have that the people in custody are guilty.
Lay your evidence on the table then Cheesedoodle.
This brat was sacked up battling US forces. Pretty damn good evidence. What do you have other than your opinion?
On July 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 pm, lgm said:
There are more traffic deaths than deaths from terrorism.
…so by your logic, a terrorist bombing, or hell, even flying planes into a building is equivalent to a car wreck?
Can you explain what is the largest number of people killed in a multi-car pileup? How was the economy affected by the pileup?
How do you manage to feed and clothe yourself being so ignorant?