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David All    More options Jul 8, 10:54 am
From: David All <da...@davidallgroup.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:54:52 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:54 am
Subject: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

Please see the alert below from Republican Leader John Boehner warning  
about a proposed rule by the arcane House Administration Committee  
which would force "outside websites" like YouTube, Facebook, etc. to  
comply with their primitive and ridiculous rules before a Member of  
Congress is "allowed" to communicate with their constituents.

Not only could this stifle constituent interaction through a medium of  
their choice but how exactly does the House Administration Committee  
plan to enforce this rule? And won't this limit websites that can't  
"afford" to create a new site just for privileged Members of Congress  
from being added to the mix of constituent interaction?

As a co-author of the Open House Project's chapter on Member Web-use I  
believe that every citizen interested in openness, honesty, and access  
to their representative should make their voice be heard on this issue.

I am hopeful that the Sunlight Foundation will issue an immediate  
press release on this issue.

**** Internet Freedom Alert ****

From: House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)

TO:   Online Community & Activists

RE:   An Attack on Internet Free Speech

DATE: 08 July 08

I’m writing to alert you to an attack on free speech that is making  
its way through Congress.  This attack, which should concern activists  
of all political affiliations across the ideological spectrum, comes  
in the form of a new congressional rule that would prohibit Americans  
from viewing content published by Members of Congress on websites that  
are not “approved†by the Committee on House Administration, the panel  
that creates rules governing the internal operations of the U.S. House.

Millions of Americans today utilize free, unregulated and uncensored  
websites like YouTube on a daily basis to not only obtain information  
from their elected leaders about what’s going on in their government,  
but to also give feedback and easily share that information with  
others.  The advent of new media technology has empowered American  
citizens with real-time information about the policy debates and  
actions being undertaken by Congress.  This has increasingly forced  
Congress to become more transparent and made it easier for American  
citizens to hold their elected leaders accountable.

The Committee on House Administration is considering a new rule that  
could bring this trend to a screeching halt.  The Committee is  
considering the adoption of new rules that would require outside  
websites such as YouTube to comply with House regulations before  
Members of Congress could post videos on them.  Under the proposal,  
the House Administration Committee would develop a list of “approved† 
websites, and Members of Congress could post content only such  
websites.  The rule has been proposed by the Democratic chairman of  
the Commission on Mailing Standards, Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA), and  
is being considered for adoption by the Committee on House  
Administration, chaired by Rep. Robert Brady (D-PA).  A copy of Rep.  
Capuano's letter is available at http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Capuano_letter.PDF
.

If the proposed rule is adopted, the free flow of information over the  
Internet between Americans and their representatives will be  
significantly curtailed.   Americans who currently use free websites  
like YouTube to obtain uncensored daily information about  
congressional policy debates will instead be forced to go to websites  
“approved†by the House Administration Committee in order to continue  
getting such information.  This would amount to new government  
censorship of the Internet, by a panel of federal officials that is  
neither neutral nor independent.

House Republicans, led by Reps. Vern Ehlers (R-MI), Kevin McCarthy (R-
CA), and Tom Price (R-GA), have expressed their opposition to this  
attack on Internet freedom and proposed an alternative solution that  
would allow Members of Congress to continue posting content at sites  
of their choosing.  I will continue to keep you updated as this  
situation unfolds.  For further information, please visit the House  
Republican Leader website or contact Nick Schaper, my Director of New  
Media Operations, at nick.scha...@mail.house.gov.

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Clay Shirky    More options Jul 8, 11:48 am
From: "Clay Shirky" <c...@shirky.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:48:13 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"
> ...how exactly does the House Administration Committee plan to
> enforce this rule?

Don't make the mistake of assuming an unpoliceable rule is also unenforceable.

They can enforce it the way we enforce parking rules, which is to miss
most violations, and then bring on draconian enforcement of enough
violations to create a chilling effect. This would also allow the
Rules committee to use enforcement as a selectively wielded stick.

As an analogy, despite two decades of open access journals, academics
still stick to closed access ones, even though those journals are
organized to specifically thwart academic goals of sharing knowledge.
The academics do this because the internal needs of the profession
(which journals matter most for tenure etc.) actually matter more to
them than the stated goals of the institution as a whole.

YouTube et al threaten to bring openness to the House, and to
normalize a channel in which franking privileges create no advantage
for incumbents. In a social environment as tight as the House, the
threat of unlikely but serious punishment, for an activity that
Members may not be in a hurry to embrace or defend anyway, will be
enough to make discussion with constituents out in the open an edge
case.

-clay


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John Wonderlich    More options Jul 8, 12:57 pm
From: "John Wonderlich" <johnwonderl...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:57:54 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

My response on Franking reform:

Member Web Use Reconsidered<http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2008/07/08/member-web-use-reconsid...>

   -  <http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/people/jwonderlich>
    POSTED BY
   John Wonderlich <http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/people/jwonderlich>

   New lines are being drawn about the restrictions Members face when using
   the Internet.

   House Minority Leader Boehner today released a
memo<http://groups.google.com/group/openhouseproject/browse_thread/thread/...>,
   entitled the "Internet Freedom Alert", criticizing a
letter<http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Capuano_letter.PDF>sent by
Rep. Capuano to the Chairman of the Committee on House
   Administration.

   Member Web use restrictions are among the main Open House
Project<http://www.theopenhouseproject.com/>priorities, and one of the
   chapters<http://www.theopenhouseproject.com/the-open-house-project-report/7-me...>of
the report is about the restrictions set by the Franking Commission,
   which operates under the Committee on House Administration. (This chapter
   was written by David All and Paul Blumenthal.)

   Boehner's letter today rightly sounds the alarm about Capuano's newly
   proposed Franking commission guidelines. In his letter, Capuano admits that
   Web use restrictions need to be redesigned, and proposes that acceptable Web
   sites and uses be compiled by the Committee, and that content from Members,
   when posted on outside sites, should "meet existing content rules and
   regulations", and should "not be posted on a website or page where it may
   appear with commercial or political information."
(pdf<http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Capuano_letter.PDF>
   )

   While reconsidering or reforming these antiquated restrictions is a
   laudable goal, the proposed guideline reforms are only a half-measure toward
   modernized engagement online, and don't address the underlying problems with
   these unnecessary restrictions.

   The Committee on House Administration and its Franking Commission are
   tasked with making sure taxpayer money isn't spent on commercial or
   political advertising on the Web. While there is good reason to limit
   incumbents' advantage to be gained online, Capuano's memo overstates the
   liability that comes when Members of Congress use popularly accepted
   communication tools.  Exaggerating the risks online hamstrings Members and
   staff at exactly the time when they should be boldly engaging with
   constituents.

   Communicating online involves only negligible cost, which means that the
   potential advantage given to incumbents, or the potential for a conflict of
   interest, is only very slight. Imagine a traditional example. No one would
   impugn the motivations of a Member who grants an interview to a very small
   newspaper in their district, where perhaps their grandchild is a journalist.
   Even though such an interview has a distinct financial benefit for the small
   paper, Members are free to speak with whomever they wish, and can be
   confrontational, or only pick interviews with sympathetic figures, at their
   discretion.

   This discretion is important. Members need to be able to communicate
   freely, and the financial consequences of where their voice is featured are
   tiny compared to the possible consequences of trying to limit Members'
   speech.

   Has it ever occurred that a Member gives interviews to *only* one
   particular newspaper? I doubt it. That just isn't the way motivations work
   in a political world.

   If the potential for conflict of interest or political advertising is so
   low the context of the traditional press, then why are we treating the
   Internet differently? Is the Internet so unfamiliar, so *public*, that it
   should be considered undignified to have a video on the same page as a link
   that might link to pornography? That worry was reasonable in 1995, but not
   now.

   People generally understand the potential of digital communications
   tools. Most services are provided without cost, and are open to public
   viewing, and, increasingly, public content submission. While this opens the
   door for disruptive participation, it also provides us with the immense
   potential of our shared digital connection, with consequences as fundamental
   as those of the printing press or the telephone.

   If Members can use whatever brand of inkpen, or any brand of paper, or
   buy whatever shoes they want, they should be given radically expanded
   freedom to use the Internet, and make the same empowering discoveries that
   their constituents are. Even if that same pen was once used to scribble a
   ransom note.

   The Committee on House Administration still has a line to draw, and plays
   an important function through the Franking Commission in preventing abuse of
   taxpayer funded resources. The restrictions, however, should reflect a
   balance between the liability they're meant to avoid, and the potential
   benefits Congress could realize. The conflict of interest (or
   undignifiedness), is minimal, at best, and the potential benefits are
   nothing short of revolutionary.

   Citizens are overcoming their fears about engaging online, and Congress
   should follow suit.

   Congressional staff working on reforming Franking restrictions should be
   praised for their efforts, and Republican Leader Boehner should be praised
   for his bold stance on such reforms.
     Posted: July 8th, 2008 Tags:
franking<http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/taxonomy/term/franking/>

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Clay Shirky <c...@shirky.com> wrote:

> > ...how exactly does the House Administration Committee plan to
> > enforce this rule?

> Don't make the mistake of assuming an unpoliceable rule is also
> unenforceable.

> They can enforce it the way we enforce parking rules, which is to miss
> most violations, and then bring on draconian enforcement of enough
> violations to create a chilling effect. This would also allow the
> Rules committee to use enforcement as a selectively wielded stick.

> As an analogy, despite two decades of open access journals, academics
> still stick to closed access ones, even though those journals are
> organized to specifically thwart academic goals of sharing knowledge.
> The academics do this because the internal needs of the profession
> (which journals matter most for tenure etc.) actually matter more to
> them than the stated goals of the institution as a whole.

> YouTube et al threaten to bring openness to the House, and to
> normalize a channel in which franking privileges create no advantage
> for incumbents. In a social environment as tight as the House, the
> threat of unlikely but serious punishment, for an activity that
> Members may not be in a hurry to embrace or defend anyway, will be
> enough to make discussion with constituents out in the open an edge
> case.

> -clay

--
John Wonderlich

Program Director
The Sunlight Foundation

(202) 742-1520 ext. 234


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David All    More options Jul 8, 2:42 pm
From: David All <da...@davidallgroup.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:42:54 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

Very strong.

If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

Thanks,

David

On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:57 PM, John Wonderlich wrote:

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> My response on Franking reform:

> Member Web Use Reconsidered
> POSTED BY
> John Wonderlich
> New lines are being drawn about the restrictions Members face when  
> using the Internet.

> House Minority Leader Boehner today released a memo, entitled the  
> "Internet Freedom Alert", criticizing a letter sent by Rep. Capuano  
> to the Chairman of the Committee on House Administration.

> Member Web use restrictions are among the main Open House Project  
> priorities, and one of the chapters of the report is about the  
> restrictions set by the Franking Commission, which operates under  
> the Committee on House Administration. (This chapter was written by  
> David All and Paul Blumenthal.)

> Boehner's letter today rightly sounds the alarm about Capuano's  
> newly proposed Franking commission guidelines. In his letter,  
> Capuano admits that Web use restrictions need to be redesigned, and  
> proposes that acceptable Web sites and uses be compiled by the  
> Committee, and that content from Members, when posted on outside  
> sites, should "meet existing content rules and regulations", and  
> should "not be posted on a website or page where it may appear with  
> commercial or political information." (pdf)

> While reconsidering or reforming these antiquated restrictions is a  
> laudable goal, the proposed guideline reforms are only a half-
> measure toward modernized engagement online, and don't address the  
> underlying problems with these unnecessary restrictions.

> The Committee on House Administration and its Franking Commission  
> are tasked with making sure taxpayer money isn't spent on commercial  
> or political advertising on the Web. While there is good reason to  
> limit incumbents' advantage to be gained online, Capuano's memo  
> overstates the liability that comes when Members of Congress use  
> popularly accepted communication tools.  Exaggerating the risks  
> online hamstrings Members and staff at exactly the time when they  
> should be boldly engaging with constituents.

> Communicating online involves only negligible cost, which means that  
> the potential advantage given to incumbents, or the potential for a  
> conflict of interest, is only very slight. Imagine a traditional  
> example. No one would impugn the motivations of a Member who grants  
> an interview to a very small newspaper in their district, where  
> perhaps their grandchild is a journalist. Even though such an  
> interview has a distinct financial benefit for the small paper,  
> Members are free to speak with whomever they wish, and can be  
> confrontational, or only pick interviews with sympathetic figures,  
> at their discretion.

> This discretion is important. Members need to be able to communicate  
> freely, and the financial consequences of where their voice is  
> featured are tiny compared to the possible consequences of trying to  
> limit Members' speech.

> Has it ever occurred that a Member gives interviews to only one  
> particular newspaper? I doubt it. That just isn't the way  
> motivations work in a political world.

> If the potential for conflict of interest or political advertising  
> is so low the context of the traditional press, then why are we  
> treating the Internet differently? Is the Internet so unfamiliar, so  
> public, that it should be considered undignified to have a video on  
> the same page as a link that might link to pornography? That worry  
> was reasonable in 1995, but not now.

> People generally understand the potential of digital communications  
> tools. Most services are provided without cost, and are open to  
> public viewing, and, increasingly, public content submission. While  
> this opens the door for disruptive participation, it also provides  
> us with the immense potential of our shared digital connection, with  
> consequences as fundamental as those of the printing press or the  
> telephone.

> If Members can use whatever brand of inkpen, or any brand of paper,  
> or buy whatever shoes they want, they should be given radically  
> expanded freedom to use the Internet, and make the same empowering  
> discoveries that their constituents are. Even if that same pen was  
> once used to scribble a ransom note.

> The Committee on House Administration still has a line to draw, and  
> plays an important function through the Franking Commission in  
> preventing abuse of taxpayer funded resources. The restrictions,  
> however, should reflect a balance between the liability they're  
> meant to avoid, and the potential benefits Congress could realize.  
> The conflict of interest (or undignifiedness), is minimal, at best,  
> and the potential benefits are nothing short of revolutionary.

> Citizens are overcoming their fears about engaging online, and  
> Congress should follow suit.

> Congressional staff working on reforming Franking restrictions  
> should be praised for their efforts, and Republican Leader Boehner  
> should be praised for his bold stance on such reforms.

> Posted: July 8th, 2008 Tags: franking

> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Clay Shirky <c...@shirky.com> wrote:

> > ...how exactly does the House Administration Committee plan to
> > enforce this rule?

> Don't make the mistake of assuming an unpoliceable rule is also  
> unenforceable.

> They can enforce it the way we enforce parking rules, which is to miss
> most violations, and then bring on draconian enforcement of enough
> violations to create a chilling effect. This would also allow the
> Rules committee to use enforcement as a selectively wielded stick.

> As an analogy, despite two decades of open access journals, academics
> still stick to closed access ones, even though those journals are
> organized to specifically thwart academic goals of sharing knowledge.
> The academics do this because the internal needs of the profession
> (which journals matter most for tenure etc.) actually matter more to
> them than the stated goals of the institution as a whole.

> YouTube et al threaten to bring openness to the House, and to
> normalize a channel in which franking privileges create no advantage
> for incumbents. In a social environment as tight as the House, the
> threat of unlikely but serious punishment, for an activity that
> Members may not be in a hurry to embrace or defend anyway, will be
> enough to make discussion with constituents out in the open an edge
> case.

> -clay

> --
> John Wonderlich

> Program Director
> The Sunlight Foundation


> (202) 742-1520 ext. 234

__________________________________
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David All Group, LLC
1920 L Street NW, Ste. 200
Washington, DC 20036
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deichmans    More options Jul 8, 9:05 pm
From: deichmans <sh...@deichman.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:05:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

> If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

Done and posted:

http://oz.deichman.net/2008/07/house-of-representatives-v-web-20.html


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John Wonderlich    More options Jul 9, 12:47 am
From: "John Wonderlich" <johnwonderl...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:47:17 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2008 12:47 am
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

another post below (not mine).  (also note John Culberson's reply in the
comments.  Very cool that he's engaging in the comments thread on a post
criticizing his engagement...)

Politician Using Twitter To Ignite Misleading Partisan Fight Over
Politicians Posting To Twitter from the *politics-as-usual* dept Last month,
I posted how cool it was that Republican Congressman John Culberson was really
using Twitter <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080626/1824551529.shtml>to
communicate with people. It was a great use of the technology.
However,
today he's been using Twitter to ignite a totally misguided partisan war,
pretending (falsely) that Democrats are trying to prevent him from using
Twitter. First, he announced on Twitter that "the Dems are trying to censor
Congressmen's ability to use
Twitter"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853019490>claiming
that "They
want to require prior approval of all posts to any public social
media/internet/www site by any member of
Congress!!!"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853128500>Fascinating,
and troubling, if true, but it's not actually true...

(much more post, available
here<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/1602521624.shtml>
.)

Culberson's reply available
here<http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080708/1602521624#c113>
.

Based on the friendfeed and twitter chatter I'm still seeing at this hour, I
expect this to be all over the blogs tomorrow, probably covered from a bunch
of different angles.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, deichmans <sh...@deichman.net> wrote:

> > If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

> Done and posted:

> http://oz.deichman.net/2008/07/house-of-representatives-v-web-20.html

--
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John Wonderlich    More options Jul 9, 12:54 am
From: "John Wonderlich" <johnwonderl...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:54:30 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2008 12:54 am
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

Sorry for the repeat emails, but I've just found a compilation of blog posts
and coverage on
friendfeed<http://friendfeed.com/e/210ecb0e-08ea-46d9-92bc-54f598d7f687/Ok-Post-...>
.

The really interesting part of the story might be the way Rep. Culberson
managed to stir up attention through twitter.

Nothing gets attention through social media like hot stories about social
media.   :)

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM, John Wonderlich <johnwonderl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

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> another post below (not mine).  (also note John Culberson's reply in the
> comments.  Very cool that he's engaging in the comments thread on a post
> criticizing his engagement...)

> Politician Using Twitter To Ignite Misleading Partisan Fight Over
> Politicians Posting To Twitter from the *politics-as-usual* dept Last
> month, I posted how cool it was that Republican Congressman John Culberson
> was really using Twitter<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080626/1824551529.shtml>to communicate with people. It was a great use of the technology. However,
> today he's been using Twitter to ignite a totally misguided partisan war,
> pretending (falsely) that Democrats are trying to prevent him from using
> Twitter. First, he announced on Twitter that "the Dems are trying to
> censor Congressmen's ability to use Twitter"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853019490>claiming that "They
> want to require prior approval of all posts to any public social
> media/internet/www site by any member of Congress!!!"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853128500>Fascinating, and troubling, if true, but it's not actually true...

> (much more post, available here<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/1602521624.shtml>
> .)

> Culberson's reply available here<http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080708/1602521624#c113>
> .

> Based on the friendfeed and twitter chatter I'm still seeing at this hour,
> I expect this to be all over the blogs tomorrow, probably covered from a
> bunch of different angles.

> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, deichmans <sh...@deichman.net> wrote:

>> > If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

>> Done and posted:

>> http://oz.deichman.net/2008/07/house-of-representatives-v-web-20.html

> --
> John Wonderlich

> Program Director
> The Sunlight Foundation


> (202) 742-1520 ext. 234

--
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Program Director
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David All    More options Jul 9, 8:21 am
From: David All <da...@davidallgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:21:26 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

John -

Might this be a good time to re-ignite The Open House Project? It  
looks like there could be some opportunities with Members of Congress  
that are paying attention.

David

On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:54 AM, John Wonderlich wrote:

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> Sorry for the repeat emails, but I've just found a compilation of  
> blog posts and coverage on friendfeed.

> The really interesting part of the story might be the way Rep.  
> Culberson managed to stir up attention through twitter.

> Nothing gets attention through social media like hot stories about  
> social media.   :)

> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM, John Wonderlich <johnwonderl...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> another post below (not mine).  (also note John Culberson's reply in  
> the comments.  Very cool that he's engaging in the comments thread  
> on a post criticizing his engagement...)

> Politician Using Twitter To Ignite Misleading Partisan Fight Over  
> Politicians Posting To Twitter

> from the politics-as-usual dept

> Last month, I posted how cool it was that Republican Congressman  
> John Culberson was really using Twitter to communicate with people.  
> It was a great use of the technology. However, today he's been using  
> Twitter to ignite a totally misguided partisan war, pretending  
> (falsely) that Democrats are trying to prevent him from using  
> Twitter. First, he announced on Twitter that "the Dems are trying to  
> censor Congressmen's ability to use Twitter" claiming that "They  
> want to require prior approval of all posts to any public social  
> media/internet/www site by any member of Congress!!!" Fascinating,  
> and troubling, if true, but it's not actually true...

> (much more post, available here.)

> Culberson's reply available here.

> Based on the friendfeed and twitter chatter I'm still seeing at this  
> hour, I expect this to be all over the blogs tomorrow, probably  
> covered from a bunch of different angles.

> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, deichmans <sh...@deichman.net> wrote:

> > If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

> Done and posted:

> http://oz.deichman.net/2008/07/house-of-representatives-v-web-20.html

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> The Sunlight Foundation

> (202) 742-1520 ext. 234

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From: "Greg Palmer" <jgpal...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:30:11 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: [openhouseproject] Re: Member Web-Use: Not "Allowed"

This article outlines things pretty accurately, I think.

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/07/09/loose-tweets-sink-fleets...
Loose Tweets Sink Fleets,
Congressman<http://www.webpronews.com/user/jason-lee-miller> By
Jason Lee Miller <http://www.webpronews.com/user/jason-lee-miller> - Wed,
07/09/2008 - 5:26pm.

*Sound, fury, and mailing regulations 2.0 *

US Representative John Culberson (R-TX) tweeted
loudly<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853128500>in the
spirit of Paul Revere:

"They want to require prior approval of all posts to any public social
media/internet/www site by any member of Congress!!!"

Luckily, Revere didn't have quite the mouthful to warn of the arrival of the
Red Coats—he didn't have Twitter, either. Culberson's alarm was rung just
hours after he discovered and tweeted about a nefarious Democrat
plot<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853019490>to prevent
members of the House of Representatives from posting to Web 2.0
citizen media channels like YouTube and Twitter:

"I just learned the Dems are trying to censor Congressmen's ability to use
Twitter Qik YouTube Utterz etc - outrageous and I will fight them "

He still had room for "varmints" there at the end and some "green horny
toads!" Shame the Texas Congressman doesn't utilize the 140 characters
available to him. He does, however, tweet with the
frequency<http://twitter.com/johnculberson>of a twelve-thumbed quail
in a BlackBerry patch.

Culberson has promised all day to corner those responsible—namely Bobby
Brady (okay, "Robert Brady," D-PA), who is chairman of the Congressional
Committee on Mailing Standards, and Michael Capuano (D-MA)—and Qik
them<http://qik.com/>.
His concern stems from a letter Cupuano
sent<http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Capuano_letter.PDF>to Brady
regarding the Committee on House Administration's and the Franking
Commission's approval of official content posted outside the House.gov
domain.

Maybe Culberson will find out when he Qiks them, since he ignored both
TechDirt's Mike Masnick's
<http://twitter.com/mmasnick/statuses/853216602>and Tim
O'Reilly's <http://twitter.com/timoreilly/statuses/853212321> tweeted sleeve
tugs <http://techdirt.com/articles/20080708/1602521624.shtml> (among
others), that the letter is actually about loosening current restrictions,
which regulate how Congressmen can use mass communication devices from
telephones to email <http://cha.house.gov/franking_policy.aspx>. *That is*,
Culberson's upset about an already existing law regarding official content
(is a tweet official?), and has pinned the blame for it on rival party
members.

Those rival party members did seem to be looking for a way to extend the
Committee on House Administration's and the Franking
Commission's<http://gop.cha.house.gov/services/franking_commission_about.htm>authority
to Congress's use of websites and social media sites. Extending
centralized authority would be alarming to any self-respecting Jeffersonian
Republican, no doubt.

However, Capuano's goal in his letter, while extending authority into where
Culberson must have considered a Wild West for talkative Congressmen (it
wasn't), was to make it easier for members of the legislature to communicate
to large groups of constituents outside the official government channels. As
more in Congress become web-savvy and make use of web video especially,
Capuano reports modern communicative possibilities far exceed the capacity
of the government website. In short, we just ain't got the bandwidth for
what the hipper legislators want to do here.

But restrictions on Congressional speech? Like it or not, they were there
well before, set in place (presumably) as a safeguard against classified,
incomplete, inaccurate, or damaging content being released en masse to the
public by a US Congressman. Capacity for abuse? Definitely. But, unlike how
Culberson seems to feel about himself, one cannot (currently) be
simultaneously a legislator and a member of the press, not even the citizen
media.

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:21 AM, David All <da...@davidallgroup.com> wrote:
> John -
> Might this be a good time to re-ignite The Open House Project? It looks
> like there could be some opportunities with Members of Congress that are
> paying attention.

> David

> On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:54 AM, John Wonderlich wrote:

> Sorry for the repeat emails, but I've just found a compilation of blog
> posts and coverage on friendfeed<http://friendfeed.com/e/210ecb0e-08ea-46d9-92bc-54f598d7f687/Ok-Post-...>
> .

> The really interesting part of the story might be the way Rep. Culberson
> managed to stir up attention through twitter.

> Nothing gets attention through social media like hot stories about social
> media.   :)

> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM, John Wonderlich <johnwonderl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>> another post below (not mine).  (also note John Culberson's reply in the
>> comments.  Very cool that he's engaging in the comments thread on a post
>> criticizing his engagement...)

>> Politician Using Twitter To Ignite Misleading Partisan Fight Over
>> Politicians Posting To Twitter from the *politics-as-usual* dept Last
>> month, I posted how cool it was that Republican Congressman John Culberson
>> was really using Twitter<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080626/1824551529.shtml>to communicate with people. It was a great use of the technology. However,
>> today he's been using Twitter to ignite a totally misguided partisan war,
>> pretending (falsely) that Democrats are trying to prevent him from using
>> Twitter. First, he announced on Twitter that "the Dems are trying to
>> censor Congressmen's ability to use Twitter"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853019490>claiming that "They
>> want to require prior approval of all posts to any public social
>> media/internet/www site by any member of Congress!!!"<http://twitter.com/johnculberson/statuses/853128500>Fascinating, and troubling, if true, but it's not actually true...

>> (much more post, available here<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/1602521624.shtml>
>> .)

>> Culberson's reply available here<http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080708/1602521624#c113>
>> .

>> Based on the friendfeed and twitter chatter I'm still seeing at this hour,
>> I expect this to be all over the blogs tomorrow, probably covered from a
>> bunch of different angles.

>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, deichmans <sh...@deichman.net> wrote:

>>> > If anyone else blogs about this issue, please ping the list.

>>> Done and posted:

>>> http://oz.deichman.net/2008/07/house-of-representatives-v-web-20.html

>> --
>> John Wonderlich

>> Program Director
>> The Sunlight Foundation

>> (202) 742-1520 ext. 234

> --
> John Wonderlich

> Program Director
> The Sunlight Foundation

> (202) 742-1520 ext. 234

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