FTA: "This thing should have been lit up like a Christmas tree," Nichols said. "It was in the middle of an area where lots of sport fishers go."

Agreed. I hate fish farms... I've never had a farmed fish that tasted right and they are usually not very ecological. Having one dark at night is negligent and I hope they get to sue for damages.

tuna ranch

veedeevadeevoodee: tuna ranch

Same thing I was thinking...

At least they probably caught some tuna while they waited.

flucto: At least they probably caught some tuna while they waited.

Probably could pick and chose what they threw back.

"Then, a Mexican patrol boat with armed sailors turned up and asked Nichols for permission to board the Señor Hefe. Nichols said he refused, citing his rights as a U.S.-flagged ship in international waters. "

Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you no stinkin' badges!

Hmm given the price of bluefin in Japan, sounds like a pirate with a Robinson 44 on floats could have some real fun at 1am.

/hate Robinsons

Tr0mBoNe:
Agreed. I hate fish farms... I've never had a farmed fish that tasted right and they are usually not very ecological. Having one dark at night is negligent and I hope they get to sue for damages.

So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

The pen is mightier, after all

Get a brain, maroons.

This was not a fish farm., per se This was a tuna pen and Korean seiners were towing it in international waters. the boat operator was not paying attention or NEVER would have jumped the pens PVC pipe border. Also, when they decided to start fishing for Tuna while trapped in the pen trying to figure out how to get out, they sealed their fate. If it wasn't for the USCG, they would have been boarded by the Mexican Navy and then who knows what would have happened

This is a serious international incident, and hopefully it won't affect our ability to fish those waters. Those fisherman that ended up in the pen are farking idiots, and extremely irresponsible.

Read this: Real story link,firsthand account

At a sale value of $75,000 a fish, you'd think they would keep better watch.

They had Mexican hookers in a pen out in the middle of the ocean?

rawsta:

Those fisherman that ended up in the pen are farking idiots, and extremely irresponsible.

After reading your linked article, I agree - total buffoonery. My question is: who pays for the damage to the tuna pen ?

Rule 5
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Tendercrisp Bacon Cheddar Ranch > Tuna Ranch.

Come on, tuna doesn't need ranch. And a pen? I don't know how this would work.

/DNRTFA

veedeevadeevoodee: rawsta:

Those fisherman that ended up in the pen are farking idiots, and extremely irresponsible.

After reading your linked article, I agree - total buffoonery. My question is: who pays for the damage to the tuna pen ?

Damn good question. Damn good. I am sure the fishermen will attempt to collect from their boaters insurance.

Gilligan!!!

Am I missing something? despite what those blind boaters write, all I see is the Mexicans freeing them from the pen when no one else would (certainly NOT the "CEO") and in the end the CG comes and gets all pissy at them. So what if they came at them full speed and had body armor and guns? They probably deal with drug runners all the time and why shouldn't they expect this encounter to be different?

Who gets thanked? The CG, who did nothing in the first place and nothing in the end. Looking at the photos of the Federales, they sure seemed kinda bored.

They were drifting around asleep in the middle of the freaking ocean, it's the boaters' fault.

Tr0mBoNe: FTA: "This thing should have been lit up like a Christmas tree," Nichols said. "It was in the middle of an area where lots of sport fishers go."

Agreed. I hate fish farms... I've never had a farmed fish that tasted right and they are usually not very ecological. Having one dark at night is negligent and I hope they get to sue for damages.

It wouldn't have mattered if it was lit up, they were all asleep!

RoyBatty:
So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

Um, I'm pretty sure that fish don't grow too well on land :p

/you may be thinking of corn

rawsta: This was not a fish farm., per se This was a tuna pen and Korean seiners were towing it in international waters. the boat operator was not paying attention or NEVER would have jumped the pens PVC pipe border. Also, when they decided to start fishing for Tuna while trapped in the pen trying to figure out how to get out, they sealed their fate. If it wasn't for the USCG, they would have been boarded by the Mexican Navy and then who knows what would have happened

This is a serious international incident, and hopefully it won't affect our ability to fish those waters. Those fisherman that ended up in the pen are farking idiots, and extremely irresponsible.

Read this: Real story link,firsthand account

Neither version explained how their boat made it over the edge of the pen. it looked at least 3 foot above the water.

These pens need radar reflectors. A float, mast and reflector would cost a few hundred dollars, then they would be detectable at night. Kayaks on the ocean in fog should have these too, btw, so I won't run them over in my boat.

RoyBatty:
So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

qsalsaq: Um, I'm pretty sure that fish don't grow too well on land :p

/you may be thinking of corn

City boys. What do they know about tuna ranching?

this photo is totally relevant.

qsalsaq: RoyBatty:
So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

Um, I'm pretty sure that fish don't grow too well on land :p

/you may be thinking of corn
I don't know if you're truly stupid, or only play truly stupid on Fark, but you may wish to google before you shiat your comments out in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming

Many fish farms are fish in a tank on land. Other fish farms are fish in a net pen captured in a pond or river or bay or somewhere unlike the farking ocean where the current easily flushes the fish farm and makes it little different from just a school of fish.

http://www.time.com/time/globalbusiness/article/0,9171,1101021125-391523,00.html

So is that fish they're ranching, or chicken?

If the fish were farm fish, wouldn't that pen be private property? Thus, any fish they caught while stuck in the pen would be stolen fish, correct?

I read the second artice, and I'm a little confused. An American ship gets stuck in a Korean tuna pen in international waters, and the Mexicans come and cut the pen open to free them?
It kind of looks like the Maxicans broke a few laws on the Americans behalf, even though the Americans were dumbasses in the first place to get in the pen. Then, the Americans are afraid to even talk to the Mexicans that recued them.... Wow.

RoyBatty: qsalsaq: RoyBatty:
So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

Um, I'm pretty sure that fish don't grow too well on land :p

/you may be thinking of corn
I don't know if you're truly stupid, or only play truly stupid on Fark, but you may wish to google before you shiat your comments out in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming

Many fish farms are fish in a tank on land. Other fish farms are fish in a net pen captured in a pond or river or bay or somewhere unlike the farking ocean where the current easily flushes the fish farm and makes it little different from just a school of fish.

http://www.time.com/time/globalbusiness/article/0,9171,1101021125-391523,00.html

Is your sarcasm detector broken?

RoyBatty: qsalsaq: RoyBatty:
So I'm ignorant, is that the kind of fish farm most people hate? I thought those were actually farmed on land, not in the ocean.

Um, I'm pretty sure that fish don't grow too well on land :p

/you may be thinking of corn
I don't know if you're truly stupid, or only play truly stupid on Fark, but you may wish to google before you shiat your comments out in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming

Many fish farms are fish in a tank on land. Other fish farms are fish in a net pen captured in a pond or river or bay or somewhere unlike the farking ocean where the current easily flushes the fish farm and makes it little different from just a school of fish.

http://www.time.com/time/globalbusiness/article/0,9171,1101021125-391523,00.html

So if it's a farm, how do they plow the water?

Snocones: If the fish were farm fish, wouldn't that pen be private property? Thus, any fish they caught while stuck in the pen would be stolen fish, correct?

correct

ramblemn: rawsta: This was not a fish farm., per se This was a tuna pen and Korean seiners were towing it in international waters. the boat operator was not paying attention or NEVER would have jumped the pens PVC pipe border. Also, when they decided to start fishing for Tuna while trapped in the pen trying to figure out how to get out, they sealed their fate. If it wasn't for the USCG, they would have been boarded by the Mexican Navy and then who knows what would have happened

This is a serious international incident, and hopefully it won't affect our ability to fish those waters. Those fisherman that ended up in the pen are farking idiots, and extremely irresponsible.

Read this: Real story link,firsthand account

Neither version explained how their boat made it over the edge of the pen. it looked at least 3 foot above the water.

They clearly jumped the PVC piping on the border, there is no other way in or out. Look at the pictures in the linked article

ayawi: I read the second artice, and I'm a little confused. An American ship gets stuck in a Korean tuna pen in international waters, and the Mexicans come and cut the pen open to free them?
It kind of looks like the Maxicans broke a few laws on the Americans behalf, even though the Americans were dumbasses in the first place to get in the pen. Then, the Americans are afraid to even talk to the Mexicans that recued them.... Wow.

Never been approached by a Mexican gunboat eh? Pretty scary situation, especially when you have kids carrying automatic weapons and just swingin them around like water guns. In international waters they have no right to board unless given permission, and the fishermen were given strict instructions by the USCG to not allow them to board under any circumstances until they arrived.

rawsta: They clearly jumped the PVC piping on the border, there is no other way in or out. Look at the pictures in the linked article

By "jumped" do you mean "ran over?" I know squat about boats but that thing looks hard to run over.

Snocones: If the fish were farm fish, wouldn't that pen be private property? Thus, any fish they caught while stuck in the pen would be stolen fish, correct?

Well, the second story says they got permission, but regardless, the idea of personal property becomes fuzzy on the open ocean - you have to establish that it isn't abandoned and there is frequently nobody around to enforce your rights. Yeah, it's morally yours, but this isn't the suburbs - the rules are a bit different: there's no sovereign authority on the ocean.

Everyone seems to assume that everyone on the boat was asleep - how then would the skipper see the pole just before they hit?

Answer: He was awake!

The fact that there were no lights (or insuficiant lights) on both the tow boat and the tuna cage, makes it the responsibilty of the Tuna Pen owners. If you can't see it, how can you avoid it?

As far as jumping the fence - no problem - the boat just pushed it into the water, ran over it, and it popped back up.

As I read it the real problem with the Mexicans was gonna be that if they got on the boat then the best description for events might involve the folowing vocabulary words:

Piracy
Kidnapping
Bribery
Ransom

Yee haw, how proud they are of shooting fish in a barrel.

Per sane?

Most people seem to miss the impact of this. Stupid farking Mexicans harassing a U.S.-registered boat in international waters. They attempted to board twice. They required a physical presence of the U.S. Coast Guard to ensure these morans they had no right to attempt to imprison U.S. citizens in their third world country under their third world system of law.

Personally, I would've loved this to turn ugly. Farking Mexicans don't pay attention to the sovereignty of the U.S. in the first place. Nothing like sinking the flagship of their Navy to send them the appropriate message.

flucto [TotalFark] 2008-07-24 05:46:09 PM
At least they probably caught some tuna while they waited.

FTA (since you didnt read it): The good part, Saputo said, was when the pen's operators allowed the bored Americans to fish inside the cage. The Señor Hefe returned with 20 bluefin tuna.