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Nice try, Obamaniacs, but Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal (537)Clicked 11728 times; posted to Main on Sun, 20 Jul 2008 at 6:46 AM
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Oh, I guess it's ok, grand ol' party hillbillys, this country needs more of your insightful leadership to really succeed!
I love how the article says his comment was "translated incorrectly" and then never gives the "proper" translation.
Leave ? B-b-b-b-but we're still in Germany !!
It was pretty obvious the Bush Administration was going to lean on Maliki to 'clarify' his stance. I'm surprised it took this long.
log_jammin: I love how the article says his comment was "translated incorrectly" and then never gives the "proper" translation.
I would be very interested in knowing what the correct translation was. Did he agree with the plan in general, but is merely trying to avoid the appearance of giving an endorsement to Obama as they note? Or is there more to it than that?
And am I mistaken, or do I sense a whiff of desperation in submitter's headline?
I would be very interested in knowing what the correct translation was. Did he agree with the plan in general, but is merely trying to avoid the appearance of giving an endorsement to Obama as they note? Or is there more to it than that?
And am I mistaken, or do I sense a whiff of desperation in submitter's headline?
DrBenway: Did he agree with the plan in general, but is merely trying to avoid the appearance of giving an endorsement to Obama as they note?
Thats my guess. A little pressure from Bush probably helped too.
do I sense a whiff of desperation in submitter's headline?
par for the course
Thats my guess. A little pressure from Bush probably helped too.
do I sense a whiff of desperation in submitter's headline?
par for the course
This article is useless without the farking 'proper' translation. Just sounds like he's trying to avoid it sounding like an endorsement.
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," Der Spiegel quoted Maliki as saying.
Seems reasonable.
Seems reasonable.
So maybe his words were not plain,
Concerning how long they'd remain?
At least he's not saying
The troops will be staying
For "one hundred years" like McCain.
Concerning how long they'd remain?
At least he's not saying
The troops will be staying
For "one hundred years" like McCain.
Echoic: This article is useless without the farking 'proper' translation.
I doubt it was mistranslated. It seems like anytime a ME country has its TV/newspaper/leadership say something stupid or embarrassing they always claim its mistranslated.
I'm exaggerating some but it sure seems like thats the excuse most of the time.
I doubt it was mistranslated. It seems like anytime a ME country has its TV/newspaper/leadership say something stupid or embarrassing they always claim its mistranslated.
I'm exaggerating some but it sure seems like thats the excuse most of the time.
Link
Found this on the KOS (I know, I know): Al-Dabbagh's retraction was released by CentCom. Since when does Iraq speak through U.S. Central Command?
Found this on the KOS (I know, I know): Al-Dabbagh's retraction was released by CentCom. Since when does Iraq speak through U.S. Central Command?
jezz: It was pretty obvious the Bush Administration was going to lean on Maliki to 'clarify' his stance. I'm surprised it took this long.
THIS
THIS
Nice try Republicans, but since when do we let other countries tell us when/where we can pull our troops out of a region?
MaxxLarge: So maybe his words were not plain,
Concerning how long they'd remain?
At least he's not saying
The troops will be staying
For "one hundred years" like McCain.
And, at once, a beast became fallow,
Like a river shallow,
In wait for the spring.
Concerning how long they'd remain?
At least he's not saying
The troops will be staying
For "one hundred years" like McCain.
And, at once, a beast became fallow,
Like a river shallow,
In wait for the spring.
I'm thinking someone put pressure on him... I'll wait to see the full translation.
Etchy333: Nice try Republicans, but since when do we let other countries tell us when/where we can pull our troops out of a region?
Since Bush invaded Iraq. "We'll step down when they step up," and all that.
Since Bush invaded Iraq. "We'll step down when they step up," and all that.
Echoic: Found this on the KOS (I know, I know): Al-Dabbagh's retraction was released by CentCom. Since when does Iraq speak through U.S. Central Command?
That is a much bigger story than the original article. That is an unacceptable misuse of government resources for political purposes.
That is a much bigger story than the original article. That is an unacceptable misuse of government resources for political purposes.
Etchy333: Nice try Republicans, but since when do we let other countries tell us when/where we can pull our troops out of a region?
Sorry buddy but we need to ask Israel's permission if we can or not.
/Gotta love American politics
Sorry buddy but we need to ask Israel's permission if we can or not.
/Gotta love American politics
But guys,
HOOOOOOOOPE! CHAAAAAAANGE!
HOOOOOOOOPE! CHAAAAAAANGE!
Philippe Pétain said a lot of stuff, too.
Who wants to lose their cash cow?
Okay, so I've read the Spiegel interview.
- Maliki says the US troops should leave Iraq "as soon as possible", which certainly gives room for speculation.
- He explicitly says that 16 months sounds about right as a time frame for the withdrawal (once it begins), so that's interpreted as an implicit endorsement of Obama's plan
- He makes clear a complete withdrawal is in the interest of Iraq, generally (and better sooner than later)
If you cut through the usual diplomatic carefulness, it basically comes down to: "I like Obama's plans better, but in case McCain wins, I didn't say anything."
- Maliki says the US troops should leave Iraq "as soon as possible", which certainly gives room for speculation.
- He explicitly says that 16 months sounds about right as a time frame for the withdrawal (once it begins), so that's interpreted as an implicit endorsement of Obama's plan
- He makes clear a complete withdrawal is in the interest of Iraq, generally (and better sooner than later)
If you cut through the usual diplomatic carefulness, it basically comes down to: "I like Obama's plans better, but in case McCain wins, I didn't say anything."
"Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
log_jammin
It seems like anytime a ME country has its TV/newspaper/leadership say something stupid or embarrassing they always claim its mistranslated.
انت الابله
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
>.>
<.<
It seems like anytime a ME country has its TV/newspaper/leadership say something stupid or embarrassing they always claim its mistranslated.
انت الابله
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
>.>
<.<
log_jammin: I doubt it was mistranslated. It seems like anytime a ME country has its TV/newspaper/leadership say something stupid or embarrassing they always claim its mistranslated.
I wish someone would wipe all these mistranslations off the face of the Earth.
I wish someone would wipe all these mistranslations off the face of the Earth.
I love how the headline combines both political smugness and supporting a war that most of both countries wants over immediately. Well done, Submitter, your jackassery has impressed me.
EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
at80eighty: انت الابله
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
I'm scared to look that up...
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
I'm scared to look that up...
A German drank all my Shiner Heffenweizen at a July 4th BBQ...no love here!
Bring on the Obama babe!
Bring on the Obama babe!
EliteAnalyst: ...if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
You're a tiny little man, aren't you?
You're a tiny little man, aren't you?
EliteAnalyst:
it is incredible how you went halfway from making me go "hmm, thats some damn good points to consider " , to , "MAN THE BOATS, MAN THE BOATS, DONT FORGET THE LIFEJACKET"
it is incredible how you went halfway from making me go "hmm, thats some damn good points to consider " , to , "MAN THE BOATS, MAN THE BOATS, DONT FORGET THE LIFEJACKET"
log_jammin: at80eighty: انت الابله
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
I'm scared to look that up...
The Google says it means "you idiot."
it means 'loggy rocks'
REALLY
I'm scared to look that up...
The Google says it means "you idiot."
Nice, we can spin anything to mean anything we want now.
So, when the Iraqi people who were polled said they wanted us out of the country, well, that's not the government saying it so we don't have to listen. When the government wants us out of the country we do the modern day version of the "We can't hear you!" and claim that it was mistranslated - which for all practical purposes means, you didn't understand what we told you.
nictamer youre no fun!
EliteAnalyst: He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada.
What the blathering christ are you going on about?
/Canadian
//Doesn't think you are
What the blathering christ are you going on about?
/Canadian
//Doesn't think you are
EliteAnalyst: WHARRGARBL
A real life Canadian Freeper?
Wow, who would have thunk it, eh?
A real life Canadian Freeper?
Wow, who would have thunk it, eh?
nictamer: The Google says it means "you idiot."
the one i found says "you are the father"
...
hey! "I'm the man!"
the one i found says "you are the father"
...
hey! "I'm the man!"
You don't expect the Iraqis to take control of Iraq, do you?
Der Spiegel stands by their translation, btw.
Echoic: Link
Since when does Iraq speak through U.S. Central Command?
Jeez, you're kidding, right? I would have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall for THAT phone conversation. "Listen, you goddamn camel jockey-take that back or you'll end up swinging on the end of a rope like the last "supporter" we put in power!"
/DRTFA
Since when does Iraq speak through U.S. Central Command?
Jeez, you're kidding, right? I would have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall for THAT phone conversation. "Listen, you goddamn camel jockey-take that back or you'll end up swinging on the end of a rope like the last "supporter" we put in power!"
/DRTFA
I'm sure Iraq's leaders much prefer the Bush/McCain plan of staying forever while killing scores of innocent civilians.
Random Reality Check [TotalFark] Quote 2008-07-20 07:10:39 AM
EliteAnalyst: WHARRGARBL
A real life Canadian Freeper?
Wow, who would have thunk it, eh?
They do exist. Check back a few years for followers of "The Alliance" and "Stockwell Day"
EliteAnalyst: WHARRGARBL
A real life Canadian Freeper?
Wow, who would have thunk it, eh?
They do exist. Check back a few years for followers of "The Alliance" and "Stockwell Day"
"Obamaniacs"
That the best you can do?
That the best you can do?
Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
/just sayin'
EliteAnalyst:
"Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Watergate? Affirmative action? That's quite a rant, but seriously, you're a freakin' pecan log.
"Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Watergate? Affirmative action? That's quite a rant, but seriously, you're a freakin' pecan log.
Maybe ... (Obama) should wait til he's elected to start .. policies of the United States
Maybe, but Reagan sure didn't keep his policies quiet in the run-up to 1980's election. Most candidates speak out on what they will do. Its called campaigning.
Guess that rule only applies to Democratic candidates.
Maybe, but Reagan sure didn't keep his policies quiet in the run-up to 1980's election. Most candidates speak out on what they will do. Its called campaigning.
Guess that rule only applies to Democratic candidates.
ttc2301:
Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
Offering a plan is now dictating policy, is it? Don't sprain anything stretching so far.
Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
Offering a plan is now dictating policy, is it? Don't sprain anything stretching so far.
When Nuri al-Maliki's kids are the ones who are being slaughtered over there maybe his opinion will start to matter.
/Opposite of Obamaniacs......War criminals?
/Opposite of Obamaniacs......War criminals?
Generation_D: Maybe, but Reagan sure didn't keep his policies quiet in the run-up to 1980's election.
You don't say...
You don't say...
whereisian: EliteAnalyst: He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada.
What the blathering christ are you going on about?
/Canadian
//Doesn't think you are
I, for one, am quite intrigued to see how this particular conversation ends up.
What the blathering christ are you going on about?
/Canadian
//Doesn't think you are
I, for one, am quite intrigued to see how this particular conversation ends up.
Maliki:
ttc2301: Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
Maybe that's why Kerry didn't get elected, because of his, "I'll reveal my plan after I'm elected," crap. Maybe it's better we know now so we have a clear choice.
/just sayin'
//ya know
///Slashies for those who will assume my political stance is ______
/just sayin'
Maybe that's why Kerry didn't get elected, because of his, "I'll reveal my plan after I'm elected," crap. Maybe it's better we know now so we have a clear choice.
/just sayin'
//ya know
///Slashies for those who will assume my political stance is ______
ttc2301: Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
I'm sorry, did you mean to say WHARRGARBL?
Let's take this one small step at a time...
Obama puts releases a policy that he says what he will implement if he is elected. The Iraqi government decides they like what he has said and you come out and suggest that Obama did something wrong?
What are you, like, retarded?
You talk like a fag and your shiat's is all f*cked up.
You do understand that Idiocracy was meant to be a fictional comedy and not a guide to living your life, right?
Oh, and I'm no Obama supporter but I know a moran when I see one.
/just sayin'
I'm sorry, did you mean to say WHARRGARBL?
Let's take this one small step at a time...
Obama puts releases a policy that he says what he will implement if he is elected. The Iraqi government decides they like what he has said and you come out and suggest that Obama did something wrong?
What are you, like, retarded?
You talk like a fag and your shiat's is all f*cked up.
You do understand that Idiocracy was meant to be a fictional comedy and not a guide to living your life, right?
Oh, and I'm no Obama supporter but I know a moran when I see one.
""U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes,"
How the fark do you mistranslate that? Did they mistranslate "right" as "wrong", or did they forget a "not"?
How the fark do you mistranslate that? Did they mistranslate "right" as "wrong", or did they forget a "not"?
ttc2301: Maybe this whistledick Chicago Democrat should wait until he's elected to start dictating the policies of the United States.
/just sayin'
aren't you the same people complaining "all he talks about is change , what change is he offering?
<cuba gooding jr voice>SHOW ME THE CHAAANGE!!</cuba gooding jr voice>"
now youre biatching that he's doing exactly what you asked him to?
...
/just sayin'
aren't you the same people complaining "all he talks about is change , what change is he offering?
<cuba gooding jr voice>SHOW ME THE CHAAANGE!!</cuba gooding jr voice>"
now youre biatching that he's doing exactly what you asked him to?
...
at80eighty: aren't you the same people complaining "all he talks about is change , what change is he offering?
yes
yes
Oh, so that's what he meant when he said he wants us to leave as soon as possible? Yeah, alright. I'll be over there.
Generation_D: Maybe ... (Obama) should wait til he's elected to start .. policies of the United States
Maybe, but Reagan sure didn't keep his policies quiet in the run-up to 1980's election. Most candidates speak out on what they will do. Its called campaigning.
Guess that rule only applies to Democratic candidates.
Carter freed the hostages, not Reagan.
Maybe, but Reagan sure didn't keep his policies quiet in the run-up to 1980's election. Most candidates speak out on what they will do. Its called campaigning.
Guess that rule only applies to Democratic candidates.
Carter freed the hostages, not Reagan.
log_jammin: yes
SHUTUP YOU NEOCON FUNDIE BARBARIAN k00L AID VENDOR
as a librull i have better politicl insight than you & i will slay your pets if you say other wise
/dude we still on for poker thursday , right? i have to be home by 11 - the wife gets real mad
SHUTUP YOU NEOCON FUNDIE BARBARIAN k00L AID VENDOR
as a librull i have better politicl insight than you & i will slay your pets if you say other wise
/dude we still on for poker thursday , right? i have to be home by 11 - the wife gets real mad
Cannot believe that headline made it past the libs that mod this joint. Must have still been drunk.
at80eighty: SHUTUP YOU NEOCON FUNDIE BARBARIAN k00L AID VENDOR
as a librull i have better politicl insight than you & i will slay your pets if you say other wise
your house...glass.farking.parking lot...
/I'm there dude!
as a librull i have better politicl insight than you & i will slay your pets if you say other wise
your house...glass.farking.parking lot...
/I'm there dude!
IF Maliki had actually endorsed the Dem Candidate's position, you can believe that Bush-Cheney's next step would be to impose sanctions.
How many months 'til January?
How many months 'til January?
Anybody else wondering why the comments from Ali al-Dabbagh were released through the Pentagon?
I love Bush & Co. If it is not "Taken out of context", it's "Incorrectly translated". And all this from a Prez who is so clear in everything he says.
ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto
the pentagon's t.v. sockpuppets agree with CENTCOM's translation.
The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
And yes, I am Canadian, from Ottawa to be precise. We've seen the Obama movie before and it is called Ray Emery: a two year ordeal here where an entire city, hockey league, and broadcast media acted like they've never seen a black hockey player before, and were extremely reluctant to criticize a guy, Ray Emery, who now admits he earned a great deal of criticism.
To those of us who had Tony McKegney hockey cards back in the early 80s, and cheered on local black goaltenders like Freddy Brathwaite when Emery was shiatting in his Huggies, it is quite a sight. And this new 2008 era reluctance to criticize a black man is precisely what is fueling Obamamania; white people, brainwashed for decades to believe they are horrible racists, are so eager to show their superunracistessness that they will support Obama no matter what he says or does. This is their special chance to show the world what superunracist superunracists they are.
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
And yes, I am Canadian, from Ottawa to be precise. We've seen the Obama movie before and it is called Ray Emery: a two year ordeal here where an entire city, hockey league, and broadcast media acted like they've never seen a black hockey player before, and were extremely reluctant to criticize a guy, Ray Emery, who now admits he earned a great deal of criticism.
To those of us who had Tony McKegney hockey cards back in the early 80s, and cheered on local black goaltenders like Freddy Brathwaite when Emery was shiatting in his Huggies, it is quite a sight. And this new 2008 era reluctance to criticize a black man is precisely what is fueling Obamamania; white people, brainwashed for decades to believe they are horrible racists, are so eager to show their superunracistessness that they will support Obama no matter what he says or does. This is their special chance to show the world what superunracist superunracists they are.
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
"Anybody else wondering why the comments from Ali al-Dabbagh were released through the Pentagon?"
Yep.
Yep.
EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
Just like we do up here in Canada?
/What farking part of Canada are you from
/The US part?
/You're no Canadian me thinks
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
Just like we do up here in Canada?
/What farking part of Canada are you from
/The US part?
/You're no Canadian me thinks
hahhahahahahaha
hockey = geopolitics???
best goddamn laugh ever
hockey = geopolitics???
best goddamn laugh ever
Random Reality Check: Nice, we can spin anything to mean anything we want now.
So, when theIraqi American people who were polled said they wanted us illegal immigrants out of the country, well, that's not the government saying it so we don't have to listen.
Touche!
So, when the
Touche!
Funny that when it helps Obama it is automatically the "Truth!"
When it doesn't .."It's a damn LIE, and they're puppets etc..."
Shocking ... especially here at Farkland .... shocking I tell you.
// going back to watching the open, where the only "spin" is where it should be ... on the course (and a 50 MPH wind, scary rough ....yikes)
When it doesn't .."It's a damn LIE, and they're puppets etc..."
Shocking ... especially here at Farkland .... shocking I tell you.
// going back to watching the open, where the only "spin" is where it should be ... on the course (and a 50 MPH wind, scary rough ....yikes)
If only Barbara Bush (Sr) had supported withdrawal this war would never have happened in the first place.
/old joke.
/old joke.
Hobodeluxe: ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto,ditto
the pentagon's t.v. sockpuppets agree with CENTCOM's translation.
Translation "Old men talking, and young men dying"
the pentagon's t.v. sockpuppets agree with CENTCOM's translation.
Translation "Old men talking, and young men dying"
EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
msirois: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
Just like we do up here in Canada?
/What farking part of Canada are you from
/The US part?
/You're no Canadian me thinks
You don't need to quote a guy and then quote the guy who quoted the guy. That's just absurd.
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
msirois: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
Just like we do up here in Canada?
/What farking part of Canada are you from
/The US part?
/You're no Canadian me thinks
You don't need to quote a guy and then quote the guy who quoted the guy. That's just absurd.
Jacques Strapp: Random Reality Check: Nice, we can spin anything to mean anything we want now.
So, when theIraqi American people who were polled said they wanted us illegal immigrants out of the country, well, that's not the government saying it so we don't have to listen.
Touche!
Are you implying that the US troops are in Iraq illegally? Why do you hate America?
So, when the
Touche!
Are you implying that the US troops are in Iraq illegally? Why do you hate America?
EliteAnalyst:
The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
Yeah, that's really unusual, right, because the black vote never goes heavy for Democratic candidates. Serious hardcore!
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
Still harping on "affirmative action" but now it's a fact, is it? That being the case, it shouldn't be hard for you to support it with something beyond you saying so, should it?
The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
Yeah, that's really unusual, right, because the black vote never goes heavy for Democratic candidates. Serious hardcore!
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
Still harping on "affirmative action" but now it's a fact, is it? That being the case, it shouldn't be hard for you to support it with something beyond you saying so, should it?
EliteAnalyst...impressive how much fail you managed to pack into one post.
/what a douche
/what a douche
Sum Dum Gai: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
msirois: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a yea ...
/Whatever do you mean?
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
SeismicJizzer: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a year affirmative action hired job, and raised him when his black father abandoned him - is palpable, and if you are a white man or a white woman you are a damned fool for voting for someone who hates your guts as much as he and his kind do.
Dude instead of writing all that bs just call him a nagger and get it off your chest.
msirois: EliteAnalyst: "Iraq's leader doesn't actually support withdrawal"
The one thing Obama has going for him - a pledge to pull the troops out - isn't believable in the slightest, especially since he has kowtowed so eagerly to the "special interest groups" that want America in Iraq. The very next day after he sealed the nomination he was pledging to do "anything" to stop Iran, a sovereign state, from possessing nuclear technology, and he has already backtracked on his one brigade per month withdrawal timetable, months before the election.
McCain and Obama are ultimately beholden to the exact same "special interest groups" who will give either of them the full Watergate\Whitewater treatment if they go soft on warmongering and it is critically important that you Obama supporters understand this.
Obama is a divider. He wants to divide American, Canadian style, into ethnic and gender divisions, each demanding a bigger handout than the next, just like we do up here in Canada. His comtempt of the white race - which granted him such special handouts as an affirmative action hired position as editor of the Harvard Law Review and his wife's 300,000 a yea ...
/Whatever do you mean?
I love when Farkers (or anyone else) criticize Obama. It brings out the mob who can't stand their Messiah being looked at askance.
Remember kiddies, if you don't like Obama for any reason, it's because you're RACIST!
\-obey-
Remember kiddies, if you don't like Obama for any reason, it's because you're RACIST!
\-obey-
If Obama wins, the USA can join the rest of the world again.
EliteAnalyst: The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
And yes, I am Canadian, from Ottawa to be precise. We've seen the Obama movie before and it is called Ray Emery: a two year ordeal here where an entire city, hockey league, and broadcast media acted like they've never seen a black hockey player before, and were extremely reluctant to criticize a guy, Ray Emery, who now admits he earned a great deal of criticism.
To those of us who had Tony McKegney hockey cards back in the early 80s, and cheered on local black goaltenders like Freddy Brathwaite when Emery was shiatting in his Huggies, it is quite a sight. And this new 2008 era reluctance to criticize a black man is precisely what is fueling Obamamania; white people, brainwashed for decades to believe they are horrible racists, are so eager to show their superunracistessness that they will support Obama no matter what he says or does. This is their special chance to show the world what superunracist superunracists they are.
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
Well said, but it is only racism when a non-liberal says/thinks it as Jesse has proven.
And yes, I am Canadian, from Ottawa to be precise. We've seen the Obama movie before and it is called Ray Emery: a two year ordeal here where an entire city, hockey league, and broadcast media acted like they've never seen a black hockey player before, and were extremely reluctant to criticize a guy, Ray Emery, who now admits he earned a great deal of criticism.
To those of us who had Tony McKegney hockey cards back in the early 80s, and cheered on local black goaltenders like Freddy Brathwaite when Emery was shiatting in his Huggies, it is quite a sight. And this new 2008 era reluctance to criticize a black man is precisely what is fueling Obamamania; white people, brainwashed for decades to believe they are horrible racists, are so eager to show their superunracistessness that they will support Obama no matter what he says or does. This is their special chance to show the world what superunracist superunracists they are.
Back to Obama: he's a no talent scrub who threw his grandmother under the bus to get out of a 1 day news cycle jam. He's actually *not* well spoken, at least when talking off prompter. He is, in fact, an affirmative action case, and so is his wife, and rather than graciously accept that as Clarence Thomas and others have done, he shows contempt for the whites with whom he cannot compete on a level playing field. His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
Well said, but it is only racism when a non-liberal says/thinks it as Jesse has proven.
somemoron: Remember kiddies, if you don't like Obama for any reason, it's because you're RACIST!
And yet, the only two people that have even mentioned race in this thread thus far are yourself and the Canadian freeper.
And yet, the only two people that have even mentioned race in this thread thus far are yourself and the Canadian freeper.
somemoron i love it even more when your butthurt kind wont answer direct questions
NET NEUTRALITY means no speed caps on websites.
Right now, under Net Neutrality, the speed you view a website is decided by your personal connection. The more you pay, the faster you get everything. REMOVING/KILLING Net Neutrality means all websites will have speed caps.
In other words, (without Net Neutrality) even if you have a T1 Internet connection, you will only view websites at 5KBps. If the website owner pays $$$ to the TelCos, then the speed cap will be lifted. The more they pay, the higher the max limit speed.
SO: The big companies will pay the megabucks to lift their speed cap (playboy.com, CNN.com, etc), and all net traffic will go there (and why not? It's fastest). Meanwhile, small sites like Fark.com and AskANinja.com who cannot afford to remove the speedcap will die because visitors can only view their site at 5KBps.
OBAMA supports Net Neutrality (speedcaps = NO).
McCain wants to kill Net Neutrality (speedcaps = Yes).
The TelCos will make millions from companies paying them to lift the speedcap, big business will generate millions of traffic for their website and kill competitors, and ALL OF THEM will remember McCain. They will owe him FAVORS.
Voting for McCain is voting for Fark.com to DIE. Just FYI.
Right now, under Net Neutrality, the speed you view a website is decided by your personal connection. The more you pay, the faster you get everything. REMOVING/KILLING Net Neutrality means all websites will have speed caps.
In other words, (without Net Neutrality) even if you have a T1 Internet connection, you will only view websites at 5KBps. If the website owner pays $$$ to the TelCos, then the speed cap will be lifted. The more they pay, the higher the max limit speed.
SO: The big companies will pay the megabucks to lift their speed cap (playboy.com, CNN.com, etc), and all net traffic will go there (and why not? It's fastest). Meanwhile, small sites like Fark.com and AskANinja.com who cannot afford to remove the speedcap will die because visitors can only view their site at 5KBps.
OBAMA supports Net Neutrality (speedcaps = NO).
McCain wants to kill Net Neutrality (speedcaps = Yes).
The TelCos will make millions from companies paying them to lift the speedcap, big business will generate millions of traffic for their website and kill competitors, and ALL OF THEM will remember McCain. They will owe him FAVORS.
Voting for McCain is voting for Fark.com to DIE. Just FYI.
Biological Ali: and the Canadian freeper.
I should say, allegedly Canadian freeper.
I should say, allegedly Canadian freeper.
Obamas appeal is universal, can't you morons see that?
somemoron:
I love when Farkers (or anyone else) criticize Obama. It brings out the mob who can't stand their Messiah being looked at askance.
Remember kiddies, if you don't like Obama for any reason, it's because you're RACIST!
\-obey-
Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
I love when Farkers (or anyone else) criticize Obama. It brings out the mob who can't stand their Messiah being looked at askance.
Remember kiddies, if you don't like Obama for any reason, it's because you're RACIST!
\-obey-
Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
Der Spiegel stands by their article and probably has the audio to back it up. but the filter of the US news networks and the right wing echo chamber will make sure the lie gets repeated until it bludgeons the truth into a bloody pulp as always.
TigerStar:
They should put Bush's picture next to "hubris" in the dictionary as far as I'm concerned.
They should put Bush's picture next to "hubris" in the dictionary as far as I'm concerned.
DrBenway: Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
log_jammin: I love how the article says his comment was "translated incorrectly" and then never gives the "proper" translation.
Exactly what I came to say.
Exactly what I came to say.
EliteAnalyst: And yes, I am Canadian, from Ottawa to be precise...
I don't think so. The only racial division we have in Canada is the First Nations people, and that's pretty much their choice.
Back to Obama ..... His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
This is telling. Psssst, in case you didn't know, in Canada, the Liberals are the centrist party, not the dirty "left" word that Americans equate with it. Admittedly, the Canadian political centre is to the left of the American left.
But that's besides the point. Obama could do worse than lift election policy from the Canadian Liberals - He could be lifting them from Bush & Rove, or Mulroney's PC's.
I don't think so. The only racial division we have in Canada is the First Nations people, and that's pretty much their choice.
Back to Obama ..... His policies read like they were lifted from the Liberal Party of Canada, the similarities are striking, really.
This is telling. Psssst, in case you didn't know, in Canada, the Liberals are the centrist party, not the dirty "left" word that Americans equate with it. Admittedly, the Canadian political centre is to the left of the American left.
But that's besides the point. Obama could do worse than lift election policy from the Canadian Liberals - He could be lifting them from Bush & Rove, or Mulroney's PC's.
Biological Ali: And yet, the only two people that have even mentioned race in this thread thus far are yourself and the Canadian freeper.
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
Why on earth would the Iraqi govt want the US out? They have a grotesque racist mess on their hands that can go violent at any time. Having a foreign milita nearby who is willing to quash that kind of thing is of obvious value. Plus, when the US moves out, other groups will . . test the stability of things, which nobody really wants. If I were the Iraqui PM, I'd WANT the Americans around for another hundred years. Or at least five years after I died.
fireclown: Why on earth would the Iraqi govt want the US out? They have a grotesque racist mess on their hands that can go violent at any time. Having a foreign milita nearby who is willing to quash that kind of thing is of obvious value. Plus, when the US moves out, other groups will . . test the stability of things, which nobody really wants. If I were the Iraqui PM, I'd WANT the Americans around for another hundred years. Or at least five years after I died.
Possibly because their presence means that they're killing Iraqis, and just by being there, they're bringing any anti-American terrorist group in the region into Iraq to kill Americans?
Possibly because their presence means that they're killing Iraqis, and just by being there, they're bringing any anti-American terrorist group in the region into Iraq to kill Americans?
Hobodeluxe:
DrBenway: Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
It only lends that much more support to the argument -- the more, the scarier. It would be a fitting tribute to Jesse Helms if they'd just go ahead and dredge up his "hands" campaign ad from 1990. I wouldn't lay anything like that on McCain himself, but some of his supporters? It appears to be right up their alley if this thread is any indication.
DrBenway: Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
It only lends that much more support to the argument -- the more, the scarier. It would be a fitting tribute to Jesse Helms if they'd just go ahead and dredge up his "hands" campaign ad from 1990. I wouldn't lay anything like that on McCain himself, but some of his supporters? It appears to be right up their alley if this thread is any indication.
Who cares if Iraq's leader doesn't support withdrawal? Iraq's populace does.
jezz: It was pretty obvious the Bush Administration was going to lean on Maliki to 'clarify' his stance. I'm surprised it took this long.
Translation: I only believe statements that I like. If he said something I don't like, I'll find some excuse to twist the story into something I like.
Translation: I only believe statements that I like. If he said something I don't like, I'll find some excuse to twist the story into something I like.
Gunther: Biological Ali: And yet, the only two people that have even mentioned race in this thread thus far are yourself and the Canadian freeper.
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
It's a 2 horse race, and quite honestly there are warts on both entrants. Doesn't bother me a bit that Obama is black. What bothers me is his lack of experience in the international arena. The fact that he has fractured support here, a la Jackson, only speaks to me that neither he or McCain has what this country really needs, a president that garners a true groundswell and majority support. In the end, we all lose because it will be a political gridlock. Business as usual.
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
It's a 2 horse race, and quite honestly there are warts on both entrants. Doesn't bother me a bit that Obama is black. What bothers me is his lack of experience in the international arena. The fact that he has fractured support here, a la Jackson, only speaks to me that neither he or McCain has what this country really needs, a president that garners a true groundswell and majority support. In the end, we all lose because it will be a political gridlock. Business as usual.
It's seems as though Reuters ends their headline with "government" in much the same way Fark ends a headline with "penis".
helix400:
jezz: It was pretty obvious the Bush Administration was going to lean on Maliki to 'clarify' his stance. I'm surprised it took this long.
Translation: I only believe statements that I like. If he said something I don't like, I'll find some excuse to twist the story into something I like.
So then, you're privy to the actual "correct" translation of Maliki's comments? Do share with us -- everyone's wondering what he really said, so by all means let us know.
jezz: It was pretty obvious the Bush Administration was going to lean on Maliki to 'clarify' his stance. I'm surprised it took this long.
Translation: I only believe statements that I like. If he said something I don't like, I'll find some excuse to twist the story into something I like.
So then, you're privy to the actual "correct" translation of Maliki's comments? Do share with us -- everyone's wondering what he really said, so by all means let us know.
Thanks for sharing that photoshop soy_bomb, just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet. It contributes so much to the conversation.
So it's the morning after pill for him, is it?
fireclown: Why on earth would the Iraqi govt want the US out? They have a grotesque racist mess on their hands that can go violent at any time. Having a foreign milita nearby who is willing to quash that kind of thing is of obvious value. Plus, when the US moves out, other groups will . . test the stability of things, which nobody really wants. If I were the Iraqui PM, I'd WANT the Americans around for another hundred years. Or at least five years after I died.
But if you run a campaign that says we have to ensure security and can't set a timetable because the reality on the ground prevents it, you're just a war mongering freeper.So instead, it's far easier to promise what you cannot deliver. Worry about the lack of progess and unfulfilled lies after the election. Just ask Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid how it's done. It just galls me to see Democrats peddle this horseshiat and expect people to believe they really are being truthful. They are doing whatever it takes to win. Like I said, business as usual.
But if you run a campaign that says we have to ensure security and can't set a timetable because the reality on the ground prevents it, you're just a war mongering freeper.So instead, it's far easier to promise what you cannot deliver. Worry about the lack of progess and unfulfilled lies after the election. Just ask Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid how it's done. It just galls me to see Democrats peddle this horseshiat and expect people to believe they really are being truthful. They are doing whatever it takes to win. Like I said, business as usual.
Translation: I only believe statements that I like are plausible.
EliteAnalyst: The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
Over 80% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. So who is racist, all 89%, or just the extra 9% who didn't vote for Gore but according to you are voting for Obama cuz he's black?
Okay, I'll agree with you. 9% of blacks are hardcore racists. Yay! You won an argument. Be happy, it'll be the only one you won't get your arse handed back to you on in this thread.
Over 80% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. So who is racist, all 89%, or just the extra 9% who didn't vote for Gore but according to you are voting for Obama cuz he's black?
Okay, I'll agree with you. 9% of blacks are hardcore racists. Yay! You won an argument. Be happy, it'll be the only one you won't get your arse handed back to you on in this thread.
I don't support Obama because he is popular, and things that are popular are not cool and hip.
I am waiting to see who the cutting edge cool people support before making a decision. Hopefully it will be some guy that nobody ever heard of, cause nothing is cooler than that.
I am waiting to see who the cutting edge cool people support before making a decision. Hopefully it will be some guy that nobody ever heard of, cause nothing is cooler than that.
Well I did RTFA but skimmed the thread once I saw people asking for the correct translation.
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SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?
Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.
It's a small change in text but pretty large in context. So far Obama has been pretty strict about the Time Table with no regard to conditions on the ground; and in fact he would have had us out of there before security stabalized.
Personally I think this is a mountian out of a mole hill. Maliki didn't endorse Obama's plan, hell for that matter McCain never said 16 months was too early, he simply said pretty much what Maliki is saying - as early as possible considering conditions on the ground.
I don't blame the Obama camp for trying to capitolize on it, but it is still tantamount to someone yelling "We lost, let's run away" for two years or so and when we finally say "Yup, things are calming down, I guess we can go home", they now say "See I was a visionary!" It's poor logic but will probably fool quite a few people.
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SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?
Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.
It's a small change in text but pretty large in context. So far Obama has been pretty strict about the Time Table with no regard to conditions on the ground; and in fact he would have had us out of there before security stabalized.
Personally I think this is a mountian out of a mole hill. Maliki didn't endorse Obama's plan, hell for that matter McCain never said 16 months was too early, he simply said pretty much what Maliki is saying - as early as possible considering conditions on the ground.
I don't blame the Obama camp for trying to capitolize on it, but it is still tantamount to someone yelling "We lost, let's run away" for two years or so and when we finally say "Yup, things are calming down, I guess we can go home", they now say "See I was a visionary!" It's poor logic but will probably fool quite a few people.
Dinki:
Thanks for sharing that photoshop soy_bomb, just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet. It contributes so much to the conversation.
Got to say, though, as lame slogans go, that one's got a bad case of polio. Not sure which is worse -- that someone thought it up in the first place, or that the campaign is actually using it.
Thanks for sharing that photoshop soy_bomb, just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet. It contributes so much to the conversation.
Got to say, though, as lame slogans go, that one's got a bad case of polio. Not sure which is worse -- that someone thought it up in the first place, or that the campaign is actually using it.
rga184: EliteAnalyst: The latest polls show black Americans supporting Obama over McAmnesty by an 89 to 2 margin. Ladies and gentlemen, that is some serious hardcore racism on the part of black Americans that isn't going to disappear by calling me teh redneck.
Over 80% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. So who is racist, all 89%, or just the extra 9% who didn't vote for Gore but according to you are voting for Obama cuz he's black?
Okay, I'll agree with you. 9% of blacks are hardcore racists. Yay! You won an argument. Be happy, it'll be the only one you won't get your arse handed back to you on in this thread.
Obama is just a better candidate than Gore (especially if he doesn't pick Lieberman as his running mate). Why is it surprising that he's getting a higher number supporters than Gore did?
Over 80% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. So who is racist, all 89%, or just the extra 9% who didn't vote for Gore but according to you are voting for Obama cuz he's black?
Okay, I'll agree with you. 9% of blacks are hardcore racists. Yay! You won an argument. Be happy, it'll be the only one you won't get your arse handed back to you on in this thread.
Obama is just a better candidate than Gore (especially if he doesn't pick Lieberman as his running mate). Why is it surprising that he's getting a higher number supporters than Gore did?
Hobodeluxe: DrBenway: Projecting, aren't you? As noted by Biological Ali already, you and EliteAnalyst are the only ones bringing race into it here. In my book, that says a lot more about you than it does about anybody else. Sounds like a subject near and dear to your heart, I'd reckon.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
So I guess pointing out that even influential blacks in your own party don't support Obama makes me 'racist'? C'mon Hobo and Benway, what about it? I'm not racist. I'm using facts to support my position that Obama is not the be all end all. You guys just shout down anyone who stands up and factually points that out. Claiming we're racist and wearing 'pointy white hats' is low hanging fruit. Even lazy monkeys can grab that.
oops you spoke too soon. Headcheese Weasel put his white pointy hat into the ring.
So I guess pointing out that even influential blacks in your own party don't support Obama makes me 'racist'? C'mon Hobo and Benway, what about it? I'm not racist. I'm using facts to support my position that Obama is not the be all end all. You guys just shout down anyone who stands up and factually points that out. Claiming we're racist and wearing 'pointy white hats' is low hanging fruit. Even lazy monkeys can grab that.
CanisNoir: So far Obama has been pretty strict about the Time Table with no regard to conditions on the ground; and in fact he would have had us out of there before security stabalized.
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal
"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - more than 7 years after the war began."
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal
"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - more than 7 years after the war began."
Gunther: Biological Ali: And yet, the only two people that have even mentioned race in this thread thus far are yourself and the Canadian freeper.
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
Well, naturally this invalidates any explanation of why some people like Obama. When you give an anti-Obamamaniac a reasoned, thoughtful response to one of their ridiculous, baseless, hateful rants against Obama, the only way to counter it is to twist it into "you think I am racist because I dared to criticize your magic negro messiah". It's all they got anymore.
After the latest McCain campaign farkup (whinergate) I suggested that the only people that could support this guy anymore were either babbling idiots, partisan hacks, or racists I was attacked from all sides because I said that all McCain supporters were racist. So this is the mentality we are dealing with here.
Why is it people who don't support Obama are so afraid of being called racist? I can count the amount of times that people have actually been called racist in a politics thread on one hand, yet people claim that anyone who criticizes BO is called a racist all the time.
Is it just because they can't find anything to criticize him or his policies on, so they attack his supporters, claiming they're playing the race card?
Well, naturally this invalidates any explanation of why some people like Obama. When you give an anti-Obamamaniac a reasoned, thoughtful response to one of their ridiculous, baseless, hateful rants against Obama, the only way to counter it is to twist it into "you think I am racist because I dared to criticize your magic negro messiah". It's all they got anymore.
After the latest McCain campaign farkup (whinergate) I suggested that the only people that could support this guy anymore were either babbling idiots, partisan hacks, or racists I was attacked from all sides because I said that all McCain supporters were racist. So this is the mentality we are dealing with here.
seminole87
I don't support Obama because he is popular, and things that are popular are not cool and hip.
What about crocs? Those are popular and cool and hip.
I don't support Obama because he is popular, and things that are popular are not cool and hip.
What about crocs? Those are popular and cool and hip.
Biological Ali: CanisNoir: So far Obama has been pretty strict about the Time Table with no regard to conditions on the ground; and in fact he would have had us out of there before security stabalized.
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal
"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - more than 7 years after the war began."
So what you're saying is McCain and Obama agree on Iraq plans. Hmm, it does take some ammo away from McCain to admit that they have the same policy now. I guess one would just be able to argue that Obama was wrong when he said the surge would fail and cause an unstoppable civil war. Okay, I'll buy that when he's left with a small staff he makes boneheaded foriegn policy decisions but
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal
"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - more than 7 years after the war began."
So what you're saying is McCain and Obama agree on Iraq plans. Hmm, it does take some ammo away from McCain to admit that they have the same policy now. I guess one would just be able to argue that Obama was wrong when he said the surge would fail and cause an unstoppable civil war. Okay, I'll buy that when he's left with a small staff he makes boneheaded foriegn policy decisions but