If this happened in America they would be suing the pants off this place. Thankfully, Canada seems to know something we dont: Only the ball-washing bastard lawyers win in cases like this.

Sarah Seymour said her five-year old daughter, Eowyn

please die

There really isn't an explanation for kids like that in a restaurant. Either you have a kid that can behave in a setting like that or you can take them outside to the parking lot until they calm down. However being a douchebag and refusing to pay until the kid leaves deserves a call to the police for theft of services. If you eat the food you pay for it.

FTFA: "The first question should have been, 'Is there any way we can help?' not 'Can you please make your child leave,' " he said.

No, actually, the first question should have been, "Can you demonstrate some ability to control your child's behavior in a crowded public setting?"

FTA:Sarah Seymour said the family is satisfied with the company's apology.

I'm shocked. Rational behavior? Acceptance of courtesy? Oh, wait, Canada.

To expect an entire restaurant to endure your child is mind-boggling to me. Take the child outside.

Didn't we just do this in the Southwest Airlines thread.....

To make it easier, feel free to just cut and paste.

Link (new window)

/Flame war - on.

elvisbloom:If this happened in America they would be suing the pants off this place. Thankfully, Canada seems to know something we dont: Only the ball-washing bastard lawyers win in cases like this.

What? No, no no no no. You've got this all wrong.

No competent lawyer would take this lawsuit. A lawsuit based on this would never win anything, because no one suffered any money damages. At the very greatest extent of legal reasoning, you might get some sort of discrimination lawsuit filed for an injunction or something, saying that the restaurant couldn't discriminate against autistic people. Maybe. Whenever you hear that someone has "sued" for something stupid, you should look for the follow-up where the judge laughed said person out of court on a summary judgment, and the local Bar sanctioned the lawyer for abuse of process.

Here's how you can tell whether a plaintiff's attorney will take the case. Ask: can the attorney win enough money for the client that my 40% fee is sufficient to cover the tremendous expenditures it will take to cover the expense of this case? Is he suing someone that actually has enough assets to satisfy a judgment? If the answer to either of those is "no," the lawsuit won't be filed, because it will cost too much money and have no pay-off in the end.

"We were approached by the waiter, who informed us that there was another patron at the restaurant who was refusing to pay for their food unless Eowyn was removed," Seymour said.

I am so trying this the next time there's an annoying kid near me. That can't possibly work, can it?

tiggerfan:Didn't we just do this in the Southwest Airlines thread.....

To make it easier, feel free to just cut and paste.

(cut)

/Flame war - on.

I cut and paste Link and this is what happened : Link (new window)

jaylectricity:tiggerfan:Didn't we just do this in the Southwest Airlines thread.....

To make it easier, feel free to just cut and paste.

(cut)

/Flame war - on.

I cut and paste Link and this is what happened : Link (new window)

1. Click the link.
2. Copy your favorite snarky comment from that flame war.
3. Paste it into your comment window in this flame war.
4. ????
5. Profit

tiggerfan: Well, see? I was cutting from your post because I thought you were inviting me to do so.

So let's see...

Oohh! I found one!

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Eowyn?

You gotta be freakin kidding me. Like the girl isn't gonna have a hard enough time with things.

I could see that, counting toothpicks would get old fast.

AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

palelizard:FTA:Sarah Seymour said the family is satisfied with the company's apology.

I'm shocked. Rational behavior? Acceptance of courtesy? Oh, wait, Canada.

I was coming in here to post that line as well, as you almost never hear about people accepting apologies.

Then I, too, realized we were talking aboot our friends to the north.

that is actually kind of a tough situation. Doesn't seem like people should be so punished for having an autistic duaghte,r but it also doesn't seem like people should be allowed to create a ruckus and ruin a restaurant for all other customers no matter what the cause.

In the near future, I too will begin to call myself autistic in order to get away with socially unacceptable behaviour.

I'm surprised that it's a story about a Canadian restaurant and it doesn't involve Tim Hortons...

the restaurant is now raising money for autism research lol this totally backfired on them

Man, I could go for some Smitty's wings right about now.

We were approached by the waiter, who informed us that there was another patron at the restaurant who was refusing to pay for their food unless Eowyn was removed

If someone refuses to pay for their food, you tell them that's theft, and that you'll gladly call the authorities and have them confirm that fact. Farking self-righteous pricks. You have every right to tell the waiter that you won't be coming back in the future if they can't maintain a plesant atmosphere, but you have no right to deny payment for goods and services you've already received.

Seymour said the family was asked to leave, despite her attempts to explain her daughter's condition to the supervisor.

If your child has a condition that makes her incapable of behaving in public, then I'm sorry, but you're going to have to not take her places where she causes a disturbance.

CTaylor80:Eowyn?

You gotta be freakin kidding me. Like the girl isn't gonna have a hard enough time with things.

Meh, they could have named her Erin but she would have pronounced it that way anyway.

/window seat

Lane83:
No competent lawyer would take this lawsuit. A lawsuit based on this would never win anything, because no one suffered any money damages.

You must be new to America. If that's the case, welcome and please note that lawsuits here happen over the most idiotic reasons, and trying to instill logic and common sense will only drive you insane.

CTaylor80:
Eowyn?

You gotta be freakin kidding me. Like the girl isn't gonna have a hard enough time with things.

No shiat! THANKS MOM!!!

/sure she was hittin' the bong

Clusterfark of mistakes:

Parents: screwed up by either 1. Failing to control their child, or 2. Taking their kid to a restaurant in the first place

Management: by kicking the family out, instead of dealing with the customers refusing to pay

The Media: for covering this as if the parents had no fault in the situation whatsoever

/others were inevitably made as well, but who has time to cover them all?

Sarah Seymour said her five-year old daughter, Eowyn, had been screaming and kicking because she was upset her favourite food wasn't on the menu at the Smitty's on Stony Plain Road in Edmonton's west end.

It's all your fault, smitty

Gwendolyn:There really isn't an explanation for kids like that in a restaurant. Either you have a kid that can behave in a setting like that or you can take them outside to the parking lot until they calm down. However being a douchebag and refusing to pay until the kid leaves deserves a call to the police for theft of services. If you eat the food you pay for it.

This.
This.

The parents were the problem in this case.

My brother has issues, even moreso to a similar degree when he was younger. My stepfather is a therapist for kids with various conditions, autism and more.

Regardless as to why the child is doing it, it's irritating and disruptive to all other patrons. The way I see things are like this, see if you can follow me:

1. Problem
2. Solution

Let's apply it to this situations...

1. She won't shut up (autism, stubbed toe, a demon, etc) and is bothering others
2. Make it so she's not bothering others

This actually has nothing to do with the restaurant, but with the inability of the parents to realize they were causing an issue and being ignorant enough to let it go on without acting upon it themselves.

So I suppose the real story should have read: "Parents not acting like considerate civilized beings. Properly told to get the fark out."

Eowyn?.

As in LoTR raging-warrior princess Eowyn?.

Goofball_Jones:Lane83:
No competent lawyer would take this lawsuit. A lawsuit based on this would never win anything, because no one suffered any money damages.

You must be new to America. If that's the case, welcome and please note that lawsuits here happen over the most idiotic reasons, and trying to instill logic and common sense will only drive you insane.

You must be new to noticing that this happened in Canada.

hockeychick:I'm surprised that it's a story about a Canadian restaurant and it doesn't involve Tim Hortons...

Hey, there is more to Canada than Timmies. I will have you know, there are only about 5 within walking distance of my office.

NathanAllen:
In the near future, I too will begin to call myself autistic in order to get away with socially unacceptable behaviour.

THIS.
Plane rides, free meals and you get to act retarded.

/I'll be sitting next to the window

Seymour?



I think maybe there was just a little bit more than 'autism' going on there.

xuanzhiyouxuan:
AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

Not for years.

I think EHOWA has a horror story about an incident similar to this one.

/Too lazy to link.

Why is it that in all these stories, the kid is always "autistic"?

I want to read a story where the kid is just an extreme a-hole. Just once.

Are the mods timing these?

Smitty's Family
18310 Stony Plain Road

Since it is a family restaurant, you have a reasonable expectation that it will be noisy, so I'm going to say, everyone was kind of in the wrong here. Restaurants - 780-483-6457

C-J:hockeychick:I'm surprised that it's a story about a Canadian restaurant and it doesn't involve Tim Hortons...

Hey, there is more to Canada than Timmies. I will have you know, there are only about 5 within walking distance of my office.

They must be like Starbucks. I have to drive past 17 on my way to work. I counted one day when I was stuck in traffic and really bored.

phlegmmo:
xuanzhiyouxuan:
AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

Not for years.

I don't think they call that autism. I could be wrong.

phlegmmo:xuanzhiyouxuan:
AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

Not for years.

too funny!

/listening to bicycle song as 'self stim?'

Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

Is autism something a kid eventually overcomes or are the parents stuck with this kind of shiat for their whole life (or the whole of the kids life)?

Tresser:Sarah Seymour said her five-year old daughter, Eowyn

please die

The kid ain't autistic, she's just pissed she can't pronounce her own farking name.

joyride75:Why is it that in all these stories, the kid is always "autistic"?

I want to read a story where the kid is just an extreme a-hole. Just once.

Because you get money if your kid's autistic. Okay, not in Canada, but hey, who's counting?

While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

oldass31:Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

I bet LSD would help them.

oldass31:Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

Euthanasia?

I don't see how it's valid that the girl is autistic. She was out of control in the restaurant and at the point the parents should've taken charge and left. If they had any foresight, they wouldn't have brought her in the first place.

xuanzhiyouxuan:Goofball_Jones:Lane83:
No competent lawyer would take this lawsuit. A lawsuit based on this would never win anything, because no one suffered any money damages.

You must be new to America. If that's the case, welcome and please note that lawsuits here happen over the most idiotic reasons, and trying to instill logic and common sense will only drive you insane.

You must be new to noticing that this happened in Canada.

You must be new here in noticing that I'm a complete idiot...

Everyone saying this child's behavior was unacceptable are probably the type of person to see a man dying in front of them and think that they should take it inside.

"you were just stabbed and are bleeding on the ground, GTFO of my way, I have to put up with this shiat on a sidewalk!?!?!"

phlegmmo:xuanzhiyouxuan:
AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

Not for years.



That outfit would be right at home at national restaurant chain "TGI Fridays". LOL. Nobody could accuse Freddie of not having enough "flair", that's for sure.

My son is 13 and has autism, getting kick, etc...

Our solution to this was NOT TAKING HIM TO RESTAURANTS UNTIL HE COULD CONDUCT HIMSELF APPROPRIATELY. It's called consideration for others.

If parents of special needs children want empathy, they need to display some.

Lane83:No competent lawyer would take this lawsuit. A lawsuit based on this would never win anything, because no one suffered any money damages. At the very greatest extent of legal reasoning, you might get some sort of discrimination lawsuit filed for an injunction or something, saying that the restaurant couldn't discriminate against autistic people. Maybe. Whenever you hear that someone has "sued" for something stupid, you should look for the follow-up where the judge laughed said person out of court on a summary judgment, and the local Bar sanctioned the lawyer for abuse of process.

In Canada, it'd go to the Human Rights Commission (a court would throw it out), but even then you'd be hard pressed to get anything better than an acknowledgement of wrongdoing and a token amount of money for your troubles.

I don't know, but if I've got a child (mental disability or no...) who can't maintain the expected behavioral status quo, than I wouldn't even be in the restaurant in the first place.

Not that I can't feel for the family, but Christ, people don't want to go out and pay for a meal they can't enjoy in relative peace and quiet.

This is hardly news.

"We were approached by the waiter, who informed us that there was another patron at the restaurant who was refusing to pay for their food unless Eowyn was removed,"

The other patron?

for everyone saying it's theft... it is not. they are not refusing to pay, they are saying, provide the experience we're paying for... or we're not. the dining experience includes ambiance, not just food. eating food next to a wack job screaming kid is not worth money, in fact the check should be comped or the bastard kid removed before it destroys other people's experience.

Oh shoot, I meant to say

While I feel for the people on the flight restaurant , suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.(sic)

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.(sic)

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

FTFM

oldass31:Blah blah blah ... whine, cry and some other BS ...

Or you could just off the defective seed. Or do you consider it a beautiful sacrifice that these screwup parents are further polluting the gene pool?

Off them too ...

larrimo:Oh shoot, I meant to say

While I feel for the people on the flight restaurant , suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.(sic)

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.(sic)

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

FTFM

Can we have a ride in your BMW?

So, what was her favorite food, that they didn't have?

A noisy kid is a noisy kid. Doesn't matter why they're noisy. the girl should have been kicked out, but the fact that another customer was refusing to pay over it is irrelevant.

In fact, there's more reason to kick out an autistic child than a normal one who's acting up. The normal kid can be told to STFU and beaten as necessary, but with the reetee, that's not going to help.

i'm with the restaurant

doesn't matter if she's autistic or artistic
she makes that much fuhking noise
remove her and GTFO

Mimic_Octopus:for everyone saying it's theft... it is not. they are not refusing to pay, they are saying, provide the experience we're paying for... or we're not. the dining experience includes ambiance, not just food. eating food next to a wack job screaming kid is not worth money, in fact the check should be comped or the bastard kid removed before it destroys other people's experience.

Uh yes, yes it is. As much as you might like to believe it you are not paying for the ambiance at Smittys. Go ahead and try that in Court when you're arrested.

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

Yeah, I acted up as a child. And my parents took me out and disciplined me. They didn't sit there and expect everyone else to tolerate it.

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

i see what you did there.

What difference does it make why the kid was loud and annoying?

I'm sick of people using their problems or personal situations as an excuse to do whatever the hell they feel like, regardless of the effect on others.

Feeling depressed? Go ahead and stand on a bridge, holding up traffic for hours for thousands of people.

Kid has a mental illness? You feel free to hang out in a family restaurant where other people are trying to enjoy a meal. (Well, it's Smitty's so nobody's actually enjoying the meal, but you get the point). After all, your kid has a Serious Medical Condition! For gosh sakes, that gives you carte blanche! Hell, you should be allowed to stab people, rob banks, and drive while drunk if you feel like, right?

Addicted to cigarette? Oh sure, you go stand up for your "right" to breathe poisonous chemicals. Never mind how everybody else in the room feels.

Your religion only allows you to wear certain head coverings? No reason for you to abide by helmet laws or workplace safety requirements, Mr. Special Pants.

In this case, the other restaurant patron was a jerk. And maybe the staff weren't as sensitive as they could've been. But it certainly sounds like the parents aren't exactly the most courteous people in the world either.

It's a Smitty's. That's not all that big a step from complaining about kids making noise at a McDonald's.

/ It's like complaining about rednecks at Ponderosa.

NathanAllen:In the near future, I too will begin to call myself autistic in order to get away with socially unacceptable behaviour.

Peter Griffin tried this already.

"Can't help it, I'm retarded"

Oh, and I'm guessing most people have never been to a Smitty's. In case this helps, it's kind of like a less shiatty Denny's or Perkin's: cheap (but fairly tasty) food, mostly old people, but with families and teenagers as well. It's not super quiet or anything, but a loud, screaming kid would be quite noticeable/unexpected.

Epiphany:Everyone saying this child's behavior was unacceptable are probably the type of person to see a man dying in front of them and think that they should take it inside.

"you were just stabbed and are bleeding on the ground, GTFO of my way, I have to put up with this shiat on a sidewalk!?!?!"

Seriously? Man, you've got some argument comprehension problems if you're equating those two...

Well, maybe if the guy was dying of natural causes like old age and being a real biatch about it. Maybe recanting his regrets or trying to pass of his life's wisdom to younger generations or some other dramatic hollywood bullshiat like that. I've got a bus to catch, and you don't get special treatment just because you waited until the last minute to let the world know that you love your son despite his interracial marriage.

Epiphany:Everyone saying this child's behavior was unacceptable are probably the type of person to see a man dying in front of them and think that they should take it inside.

"you were just stabbed and are bleeding on the ground, GTFO of my way, I have to put up with this shiat on a sidewalk!?!?!"

Out of curiosity, how does one equate a medical emergency with a lack of consideration for those around you in a dinner setting?

Ah... I suppose this train of thought is to be expected on teh intarwebz.

// Or complaining about tits at Hooters.

Mimic_Octopus:the dining experience includes ambiance, not just food.

Oh, right, that's why you get the "ambiance discount" when you order take-out.

I swear to god, since when has every single kid that acts up in public become "autistic"? I refuse to believe this is even the case, but since you can't see autistic, and many people seem to mistake this as "special" and something they want their kids to have, it's all you hear.

And really, if your kid is autistic or not, the key is, if it can't behave, WHY are you in a restaurant? I'm sure it sucks to not be able to go out to eat or do all the things you'd like, but that doesn't mean everyone else should be inconvenienced and have their time out ruined by your kid. Get some take-out. Go somewhere more appropriate. Just take the kid outside until calmness and order is restored. DO something! Just sitting there, making everyone else listen to screams and wails is bullshiat on every level.

Lots of adults have problems, too. They have to control them, though. Since kids aren't that good at control yet, it's the parents job to do the controlling for them, even if it is at the expense of their good time out.

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

*golf clap*

\Baby Fark cliches are so cute

Fibber McLiarson:Is autism something a kid eventually overcomes or are the parents stuck with this kind of shiat for their whole life (or the whole of the kids life)?

The whole life. You'll be one of the lucky parents if your autistic child can count to his or her own age, granting that their brain is in the mood to receive communication from others when you prompt them to do it. I said "prompt" not ask. Prompting might involve singing or humming before they will respond to you.

sendbillmoney:My son is 13 and has autism, getting kick, etc...

Our solution to this was NOT TAKING HIM TO RESTAURANTS UNTIL HE COULD CONDUCT HIMSELF APPROPRIATELY. It's called consideration for others.

If parents of special needs children want empathy, they need to display some.

It is amazing to me that we are at a point where you even have to point this out. Plus you can always make tastier, more nutritious food yourself at home for a fraction of the price. Even if you're a retard in the kitchen.

Ant:"We were approached by the waiter, who informed us that there was another patron at the restaurant who was refusing to pay for their food unless Eowyn was removed,"

The other patron?

Keyboard. You owe me one.

OTOH, I'll take him, if you've got him sitting around.

"Mike Seymour, the child's father, said staff should have handled the situation with more sensitivity."

No, they handled it fine. Everyone has autism nowadays. Sensitivity is no longer needed.

oldass31: i dont care what a kid has but there is no farking way im eating in a restaraunt with a screaming kid, if you cant tame your kid then sit home or put a farking dog muzzled on him.

I came for the "I am Sam" references and was disappointed.

This threat sums up both what is wrong with our society today and why we are consistently losing ground to Eastern cultures in the eyes of the world. Seriously, maybe if the other diner offered to help instead of pitching a fit, a more positive outcome would have been achieved? Until you walk a mile in the shoes of a parent with autism, people in this room should stfu. Until you handle the expense (to the tune of thousands per month) that it takes to provide proper care for an autistic child, until you deal with your entire life being subsumed by parenting - parents of the biggest berserker two year old still have NO Idea. For them there is an end in sight - for these parents - its a lifetime of care, a lifetime of dependency, and a lifetime of parenthood. Maybe if people would act more like a greater American family instead of a bunch of insensitive ignorant jackasses we wouldn't be falling apart as a culture, a community, and a country. The amish have it right in this. Even the FDS folks are doing it better.

xuanzhiyouxuan:AUTISM IS CAUSED BY MERCURY IN NATIONAL RESTAURANT CHAINS!!!

Mercury hangs his head in shame.



/fruit growers ass... heh

oldass31:Fibber McLiarson:Is autism something a kid eventually overcomes or are the parents stuck with this kind of shiat for their whole life (or the whole of the kids life)?

The whole life. You'll be one of the lucky parents if your autistic child can count to his or her own age, granting that their brain is in the mood to receive communication from others when you prompt them to do it. I said "prompt" not ask. Prompting might involve singing or humming before they will respond to you.

Fark that!

Purelilac:To expect an entire restaurant to endure your child is mind-boggling to me. Take the child outside.

THIS.

hockeychick:Can we have a ride in your BMW?

From good ol' Gilbert, AZ originally, so I might be one of the only ones who caught that little snark.

Well done, well done.

I meant - obviously - walking a mile in the shows of a parent of an autistic child.

oldass31:Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

Fail.

Yes, they CAN be calmed down. They're people, for chrissakes. They're not special, they just have a different hurdle to jump. No one said it would be easy, but just because I want to ride the rollercoaster doesn't mean I get to push and shove the people in front or behind me.

Epiphany:Everyone saying this child's behavior was unacceptable are probably the type of person to see a man dying in front of them and think that they should take it inside.

"you were just stabbed and are bleeding on the ground, GTFO of my way, I have to put up with this shiat on a sidewalk!?!?!"

Fail again.

Not even close. Loud shiat in a quiet place =/= dying people.

sendbillmoney:My son is 13 and has autism, getting kick, etc...

Our solution to this was NOT TAKING HIM TO RESTAURANTS UNTIL HE COULD CONDUCT HIMSELF APPROPRIATELY. It's called consideration for others.

If parents of special needs children want empathy, they need to display some.

Thank you, you are a shining example of good parenting. It turns out autistic kids like fun stuff to, like going to restaurants. It also turns out that sacrifices must be made for the sake of parenting sometimes. My parents have made significant sacrifices for my brother, and I hear stories all the time of parents succeeding or failing to do the right thing. So I sincerely thank you for not giving into the "Victim" mentality and doing what you need to do.

If the parents know their kid has autism, and they know the kid can start screaming and such and the kid does so in a public place, shouldn't the parents deal with it right then and there instead of waiting for it to get bad enough that others have to intervene?

i disagree.

About_20_Ninjas:hockeychick:Can we have a ride in your BMW?

From good ol' Gilbert, AZ originally, so I might be one of the only ones who caught that little snark.

Well done, well done.

I try.

merreborn:Mimic_Octopus:the dining experience includes ambiance, not just food.

Oh, right, that's why you get the "ambiance discount" when you order take-out.

Yeah, but the "convenience fee" kinda makes up for it.

Autism is a disease cause by failed parenting.

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

You failed at reproducing. Don't take it out on everyone else.

About_20_Ninjas:hockeychick:Can we have a ride in your BMW?

From good ol' Gilbert, AZ originally, so I might be one of the only ones who caught that little snark.

Well done, well done.

wait, what?

Speaking as the father of an autistic son I

Ok I will now erase my 3 paragraphs that I just wrote calling for the death and destruction of the entire human race due to my bitterness.

I shouldnt complain too much, his meds are working this week!

/but really just fyi, my hatred for you can not be expressed with mere english words. I would need like a production budget and film crew, staring Jack Black with aids-death-cancer impaled on a telephone pole.

Keep the little shiat at home in the basement and RMA your semen asap.

Dr. Flavenglaven:larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

I think my opinion matters as much as yours, with or without kids.

"you refuse to pay your bill at a restaurant, they will kick out random other people until you do."

What was random about it? Was this kid one of many in the restraunt that was screaming in the restraunt?

larrimo i love you.

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

Also: FAIL.

If 95% of the people say they want your kid out of the restaurant or else they'll never come back, guess that's going to happen?

(Also, for bonus points, if 95% of the people say the sky is actually purple, what color is the sky?)

No Such Agency:
That outfit would be right at home at national restaurant chain "TGI Fridays Freddie". LOL. Nobody could accuse Freddie of not having enough "flair", that's for sure.

oldass31:Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

You are so full of it. My ex-husband's youngest sister is autistic and while no one would dare smack her around, it is quite simple to get her to behave. She's 32 and still has to live at home because she is unable to care for herself effectively. She does, however, know what is acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable behavior. If she misbehaves, she faces the consequences even if that means taking her home instead of letting her pitch a hissy. She's autistic - not brain dead. You do a disservice to all autistic people when you imply they are incapable of common courtesy and decent conduct.

/but don't you dare put red food on her plate
//don't. you. dare.

Gwendolyn:However being a douchebag and refusing to pay until the kid leaves deserves a call to the police for theft of services. If you eat the food you pay for it.

I imagine he said this in the context of trying to eat his food.

NavyBlues:Seriously, maybe if the other diner offered to help instead of pitching a fit

Help by doing what? How the hell could a stranger possibly help a kid stop freaking out?

hockeychick:They must be like Starbucks. I have to drive past 17 on my way to work. I counted one day when I was stuck in traffic and really bored.

In Canada we have both Tims and 'bucks.

oldass31
Autistic children cannot be "calmed down" or smacked around in order to behave like a normal child. Period. You can't even restrain them without them going ballistic. They can't be babysat by your local high school girl either. Some go completely out of control the moment they cannot directly see mommy or daddy. To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You. That's the same response they get whether they're in an airport, a bus, the supermarket, a restaurant, WalMart, or any other public place. What do you expect the parents of an autistic child to do? huh? You can't leave them with someone else, and people give you crap if you take them outside.

Why I am expected to pay full price for a meal in a restaurant or a ticket to a movie and be forced to put up with someone else's misbehaving children? What do I expect the parents of an autistic child to do, you ask? I expect them to do the same as the parents of any other child. Do not make your problem MY problem. I am compassionate towards anyone who suffers from a disability but I should not have a meal or movie ruined just because the parents decided they had to go out for the evening and bring Junior along. If you can't control your child (whatever the reason) then you should not act indignantly when other people get pissed off.

I would not expect a newborn infant to be brought to the Waldorf Astoria dining room. I would not expect a drunk 45 year old to be tolerated at a Chuck E. Cheese pizza joint, either. There is an expectation of appropriate behavior when in public. I am sorry if you have a child who suffers from autism just as I am sorry if you have ANY child whom you cannot control. That is where my sympathy ends. If you insist on bringing a child who you know you can't control into a public accommodation, you should be prepared to be met with disapproval and anger. Why is your need to bring a disruptive child out for the evening greater than my right to the quiet enjoyment of a meal or a movie?

Ant:Help by doing what? How the hell could a stranger possibly help a kid stop freaking out?

Smack him upside the head?

moriquendi, merreborn, serial_crusher

i have walked out of restaurants for shiatty service mid meal without paying. no cops. i have not paid a barber for totally farking up my hair. no cops. i have taken my car from a mechanic after work not ordered was charged. no cops. you are not obligated to pay for that which you did not order. and yes, when dining out, you are paying for a lot more than the food. our system: many of you seem to fail to utilize it properly. or you just have pretty damn low standards.

FTFA:
"Sarah Seymour said her five-year old daughter, Eowyn, had been screaming and kicking
"We were approached by the waiter, who informed us that there was another patron at the
restaurant who was refusing to pay for their food unless Eowyn was removed," Seymour said."

Damm straight! I'm sorry that your kid is autistic but she is YOUR kid and it's YOUR
duty to keep her under control, so that her behavior doesn't ruin everybody else's evening.

FTFA:
"Seymour said the family was asked to leave, despite her attempts to explain her daughter's
condition to the supervisor."

Would an explanation have stopped the kid from kicking and screaming?

FTFA:
"Mike Seymour, the child's father, said staff should have handled the situation with more
sensitivity. "The first question should have been, 'Is there any way we can help?' not 'Can
you please make your child leave,' " he said."

"Hi, I'm your waiter, Chuck. Can I get you a drink and a cure for autism?".... WTF?

FTFA:
"The company has apologized to the family and says now that it's been blackmailed
by the family and the media it is going to raise money for autism research."

oldass31:To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You.

Well fark you, too. Keep 'em at home.

My birthday dinner was ruined a couple of years ago because some little pecker at The Keg wouldn't stop whining. He wasn't a baby, and his dipshiat dad should have taken him outside.

/The kid was probably just a brat, not autistic.
//Your kids should not become my problem.
///Fark it....if we're going to have smoking bans in bars and restaurants, let's ban kids as well.

Ant:NavyBlues:Seriously, maybe if the other diner offered to help instead of pitching a fit

Help by doing what? How the hell could a stranger possibly help a kid stop freaking out?

Thorazine?

/in spray form

IonBeam2:I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

You failed at reproducing. Don't take it out on everyone else.

Actually, I think he failed at creating a Fark cliche. It might be too early to judge though.

Jument:Ant:Help by doing what? How the hell could a stranger possibly help a kid stop freaking out?

Smack him upside the head?

If your kid/dog/wife/husband can't behave in public, keep them at home. Just don't take them to public places.

BadMotivator:oldass31:Blah blah blah ... whine, cry and some other BS ...

Or you could just off the defective seed. Or do you consider it a beautiful sacrifice that these screwup parents are further polluting the gene pool?

Off them too ...

Ok, let me back off my empathy for the parents for a second and ask you this: You and your spouse have had your first-born, a boy, and both families are thrilled. You've done your research and used your common sense to raise your baby as best as you know how. Time passes. He has now turned 3 and hasn't spoken yet. You take your boy to have him diagnosed. Autism. It's permanent. Your legal solution to the problem is?

orclover: /but really just fyi, my hatred for you can not be expressed with mere english words. I would need like a production budget and film crew, staring Jack Black with aids-death-cancer impaled on a telephone pole.

I forgive you.

Just please have the better sense to keep your child away from me while I'm eating if he's yelling and screaming, because frankly, the kid's not related to me and I just don't want to hear it.

Thanks.

sneaky jesus:About_20_Ninjas:hockeychick:Can we have a ride in your BMW?

From good ol' Gilbert, AZ originally, so I might be one of the only ones who caught that little snark.

Well done, well done.

wait, what?

Where I come from, BMW stands for Big Mormon Wagon

larrimo:While I feel for the people on the flight, suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry.

I bet your spouse or a babysitter could have held both of their hands while you went to the grocery store though? But you're right. You chose to have kids, so we should just let you go ahead and do whatever the fark you want. Because you're better than us or something.

Hey, do you mind if I follow you around at the grocery store with a stereo blasting loud mariachi music? Oh you do? Well too bad. People who don't like mariachi music can be so insensitive sometimes. Oh, I must pout now.

Oh shoot, I meant to say

While I feel for the people on the flight restaurant , suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.(sic)

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.(sic)

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

FTFM

You're an idiot and the reason people dislike small children in public. If you're not teaching your kids how to act in public then you're damaging their futures.

/father of three well behaved children

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The_Sponge:oldass31:To those who'll say, "well maybe the family shouldn't take their child to a restaurant if they can't make them behave": Fark You.

Well fark you, too. Keep 'em at home.

My birthday dinner was ruined a couple of years ago because some little pecker at The Keg wouldn't stop whining. He wasn't a baby, and his dipshiat dad should have taken him outside.

/The kid was probably just a brat, not autistic.
//Your kids should not become my problem.
///Fark it....if we're going to have smoking bans in bars and restaurants, let's ban kids as well.

And perfume, while we're on a roll. I'm not the only man that seriously dislikes perfume, I'm sure.

as the parent of an autistic child, i can sympathize with the family. This is a place they've been before, but, "she was upset her favourite food wasn't on the menu" My son can be fine in social settings as long as you prepare him for what will be happening. Anything outside of the defined event can cause these types of issues. To translate for fark users, if wapner isn't on at 4:30, someone is screaming. That being said, the parents should have removed themselves from the restraunt, ask for the order to go and every waitress there will rush their ass off to make sure you get your order quick and are out the door. (been there, done exactly that)

sendbillmoney:My son is 13 and has autism, getting kick, etc...

Our solution to this was NOT TAKING HIM TO RESTAURANTS UNTIL HE COULD CONDUCT HIMSELF APPROPRIATELY. It's called consideration for others.

If parents of special needs children want empathy, they need to display some.

Seconded. My kid is two years old now. I do not take him into restraunts. Why? Because I'm not confident in his ability to sit in the same place with me for half an hour without throwing a tantrum or some food.

Sarah Seymour said her five-year old daughter, Eowyn, had been screaming and kicking because she was upset her favourite food wasn't on the menu at the Smitty's on Stony Plain Road in Edmonton's west end.



"Awwwww....you favorite food isn't on the menu? WELL THAT'S TOO FREAKIN' BAD!!!"

The lack of compassion is astounding. The mentally ill suffer from things they cannot control. If autism is like bipolar disorder, then you never know how the child will react until they do - sometimes okay, sometimes not okay. Many times REALLY not okay...

So what - should we lock them in closets and attics and assylums because we don't want to see it?

About_20_Ninjas:sneaky jesus:About_20_Ninjas:hockeychick:Can we have a ride in your BMW?

From good ol' Gilbert, AZ originally, so I might be one of the only ones who caught that little snark.

Well done, well done.

wait, what?

Where I come from, BMW stands for Big Mormon Wagon

I was actually referring to another thread from earlier today.

larrimo:Oh shoot, I meant to say

While I feel for the people on the flight restaurant , suck it up. I have kids too and it is clear 95% of the people posting in here do NOT have kids, so your opinions mean jack shiat.

You don't remember what you were like for the most part, only your parents, and all of the other people you annoyed, do. Kids are Kids, they will act up in public sometimes, get over it.

These kids have disabilities too, which makes the situation a bit special.

I had my two boys out with me two weeks ago at the grocery store. Some young couple apparently got upset because my youngest was walking around (close by) and trying to name all of the vegetables he saw, and he accidently tripped over a basket of food they had put down.(sic)

I apologized to them, however they didn't seem to think that was enough. They were "upset" that the boy was running around. Well I can't hold both of their hands and grab groceries too, sorry. I went ot the floor manager who eventually asked the couple to finish up their shopping and leave.(sic)

Don't screw with me or my family, because you'll be the one leaving.

FTFM

The grocery store is not a playground. A restaurant is not a playground. If you want to take your annoying kids out, take them to a playground. Don't take them somewhere normal that they will interpret as a playground for no reason whatsoever. Your children are people, just like you and me. If I behaved like your children, the store would call the cops.

I wonder what will happen when two people with opposing disabilities come into contact with each other. Like, a person who gets super-extreme migraines in the presence of loud noises, versus an autistic child who screams bloody murder when she can't have her favorite food.

Because obviously the only thing that counts is whether or not you have some special named condition. If you don't, then it doesn't matter that your meal or movie-going experience was ruined. Unless it was ruined by someone else lacking a special named condition. But if it's named-condition versus no named-condition, the one without the condition must lose. Which brings me back to wondering about what happens when two people with named conditions meet and have special requirements that conflict with each other. Who wins then?