Second Life Herald

uhm, who cares about gor? Really...

SHOCK, Goreans are right-wing! Who'd have thought it!

How fitting that psychotic cultists should vote for another psychotic cultist.

can someone go out and Rape Sarah Palin till she gets pregnant

then we will see how quick she changes her mind on this issue

Brilliant Jessica!...starting to worry me,two days in a row ive read an article in the Herald and laughed and agreed with the writer...Ive actually heard rumours that Pat Buchanan,Rush Limbaugh and Bill ORielly all own Gorean sims,sooooo you could really be on to something,only way those kinda guys could get laid...damn,its gotta be true!!!

FUCK POLITICS

Yawn

three comments

a ) would love to know which sims if any are owned /run by TV evangelists

b) does not Palins stance - - no abortion in cases of rape- not contradict John Ashcrofts statement that women who are raped cant get pregnant

c) does the republican support for gor ( or is it the other way round ) not show that American right wing politicians are not on the same planet as the rest of humanity

We're asked to believe that Palin is actually a legitimate responsible person who could run the country in the 3 out of 5 chance that McCain dies in office. McCain is a /b/tard, trolling the American public! LOLOLOL

Oh, and -

Intblubber: "You've fucked up your own reputation so bad I have to become you and post in your name now."

Therefore Tizzers BnT = Intblubber.

people who claim to be feminists and hate mrs. palin should quit calling themselves feminists. they should instead truly label their important issue and name themeselve abortion rights party or faction or cabal or whatever. they are not feminists. the fact that mrs. palin has had a large family, a business, and has been able to serve in elective office really upsets some people. these weird attacks on her from so called feminists are strange.
i'm not sure how well qualified mrs. palin is to be our vice president. truly i just don't know. but my concerns are with her abilities in that position, not all this personal rancor i see from people who are pro abortion.

my concerns are the same about the actual head of the opposing parties ticket. since mrs. palin has way more executive experience than he does, why don't we see any interest in his qualifications and experience?

yes, lets examine her abilities and her qualifications. if you are pro abortion, object to her stance by all means. but calling her stupid, and claiming she is unfit to be a role model for other women is a bit over the top. her life looks happy and healthy. she appears to be good at what she has tried so far. is it true that only pro abotion women are fit to be leaders in our society?

interestingly, the national organization for women came out against mrs. palin. they claim that since she is pro life she is not fit to be a standard bearer for women. her accomplishments are poo pooed as very little, by people who have not accomplished nearly so much. so in order to fit a leadership role, according to the national organization for women, you must be a democrat, and you must be pro abortion.

N.O.W. needs to change its name to the democratic front for abortion rights.

personally i haven't figured out if she is capable of being the v.p. with all the screaming and slander going on around her, it's hard to find truth. she did not do well in a couple of interviews i saw her do, this made me a bit sympathetic with her, to be sure. maybe she is over reaching, but i am glad, truly glad, that a woman is once again running for vice president.

the democratic party let the media crucify hillary. it appears that the leadership of the dems just didnt want another clinton to run things. now the media is crucifying mrs. palin with some of the most outrageous rumormongering i have ever beheld in my life.

i wish the electorate would just take a deep breath and listen to her, and hear what she says and make a sound judgement based on the facts concerning her qualifications. has anyone reading this noticed that there are no parodies of the opposing candidates? no poking fun at the democratic ticket? well, now that hillary is off the stage. when joe biden claimed that roosevelt was on tv in 1929....nothing.

in my home we have been independents for the last several elections. we loved bill clinton, we voted for gore and then reluctantly for kerry when he was the only choice to vote for against bush. im not a wild eyed right wing republican. i just want mrs. palin to get some credit for what she has done, and to be judged accordingly. also, please get the facts straight, which is darn hard to do now what with all the amazing crap being thrown at her.

@Marilyn,

What facts are wrong in the above piece? Everything I wrote about I've gotten from numerous sources, I just didn't provide most of them as it just upsets the flow of the piece.

Yes Joe Biden did put his foot in his mouth again with the FDR on TV in 1929 even though FDR wasn't President then, Hoover was, and there was no widespread TV. But he doesn't have as many policy issues to me as Palin does. And really with some of his sexist remarks before about Palin, tonight's debate may go to Palin because Biden will mess things up.

I didn't even touch taxes or the Iraqi, Afghani, and possibly Iranian and Pakistani wars.

Yes, I am pro-choice, even though I would never get an abortion. And Palin's take and what I wrote about solidified that position for me. It really is who has control over our bodies. In Palin's view, that control is given to someone who isn't the woman who has to live with the decision, even if she was raped.

The feminist issue is a bit different. Should I support Palin, or Clinton for that matter, just because they are women? When Clinton was going through the primaries, I was asked if I supported her simply because she's a woman. And while I do enjoy the idea of us having a woman leader, it doesn't mean that those women were the ones I wanted.

Emily Bazelon has some more about it here. http://www.slate.com/id/2201330/

Of course you are talking to a feminist who takes part in Gor and who took part in escorting in SL, so to some feminists I am already not a feminist.

Yes, this is the first Herald political piece and it deals with one out of four top name US candidates. But frankly out of the four, Palin lends herself the best to satire.

And really, it just pisses me off that Canada is ignored when talking about Palin. I had to get that out there somehow.

Ok - I have a few things to say regarding abortion:

first off - I do not want to hear jack fucking shit from any females that may respond to this concerning my gender: I am male, and quite qualified to have an opinion on this matter thank you very much.

Now then: I am on equal footing when it comes to Abortion - My own view being one that both sides of the fucking fence should sit down, shut up and actually read and ponder.

Raped? sure, go ahead and have an abortion if you'd like to. There is no reason why a rape victim should be forced to carry a baby to term if they choose not to.

Serious health issues that may result in death should the pregnancy be carried to term? Yep - go ahead.

That is - however - where the line is drawn for me.

Teenage mother? I don't give a damn what your reasoning is - you got into the situation, deal with it. You can place the baby up for adoption after it is born - and no, I do not give a damn if mommy and daddy would kill you if they found out you'd screwed the football captain but forgot to make sure you used protection. For that matter I do not care if they do not know you're sexually active either. You may get into some serious trouble, but that is no excuse. Parents? Keep out of it. You do not get to tell them to have an abortion either. It teaches your little girl absolutely nothing. Boyfriends? They need to grow a fucking pair and stick with the girl they knocked up in the first place. You little fucks are part of the reason I am ashamed to be called a male.

That about does it for the major types.

Good day to all.

This article needs more depth. Is there a split between Gorean Slave Masters and Gorean Slaves? Does Obama benefit fromm a kajira gap? What about the free women of Gor?

If your going to investigate who different SL communities support in the US election then I would imagine the BDSM community supports Obama. Who do the furries support? Are SL Militaries inherently rightwing?

This could get really stupid really fast.

What does Canada have to do with U.S. Politics? You do know that thing about it being the 51st state is a joke, right? :P

@jessica:
oh, i certainly did not mean to imply that u did not have facts straight in what you wrote. some of it i just dont know if its correct or not. and its a parody/satire piece isnt it? as much anti gor as palin.

no, its not your facts i object to. i will feel mollified when a similar article about biden or obama or mccain is offered. the approach that shes a woman who does not fit the elite feminist view rankles me. i dont either. i have a family, i have struggled with the abortion issue for years. at least mrs. palin has the courage of her convictions, and had her baby when i think i would not have. im not that strong.

And as stupid as that sounds, it really doesn't hold a candle to the McCain campaign.

John "Kamekazi" McCain - any stupid stunt to get the voter's minds off what's really going on.

I'm an Independent and will probably not vote for either major party candidate, but just as Obama supporters seethed at the mention of Obama possibly being a Muslim, Palin supporters have every right to seeth about the flat-out lies that are being spread about her. Take this column in today's Boston Herald, for example:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1122849

It points out that the entire "Palin rape kit" story is entirely inaccurate and untrue...yet, the media and many Obama supporters continue to push it.

An interesting idea, but I wouldn't think that if she did get into office she would be permitted to do more than sit and look pretty at press conferences. McCain would be her Master, of course, and therefore he would control her. Palin is no free woman, and to say she would be even close to one is a shame to all of the Women of Gor.

Of course, she can see Russia from Alaska, so maybe she will be useful.

tl;dr

No one should be organizing fake intarnetz roleplay groups into DEMOGRAPHICS. Especially such tiny ones. Polling the portion of Gorfags who play Second Larp about Palin is like asking janitors who like cleaning up litter in their spare time what they think about urban sprawl in developing countries. Not only does it make little sense, but nobody really gives a damn.

Actually the way your dollar has been crashing, we've been considering making you folks the 11th province.....

re:What does Canada have to do with U.S. Politics? You do know that thing about it being the 51st state is a joke, right? :P

Posted by: Darien Caldwell | October 02, 2008 at 03:13 PM

Hold on, hold on...hold on.

Goreans don't live on this planet...nor is the planet Gor a part of the US. So, they can't vote. They have no voice. They don't matter.

"...and if anyone says they are true Goreans, then I'm a fucking Klingon."

The criminals from Gor are not be welcome in the United States and most of the countries of the world. They come to Earth to commit the crimes of Kidnapping, rape, murder, slavery and are guilty of conspiracy to commit the above crimes.
They can go to countries like the Sudan to buy their women.

Reality: just like intblubber, you could have just said "FUCK U I GOT MINE" and saved yourself the energy of writing a detailed & coherent argument.

Given the furries' propensity for Nazi-themed art, I think their candidate of choice would be neither of the major parties (they might approve of who just got elected in Austria). But since Palin seems to want to expand the executive branch in that fashion, as she said at the end of the debate, and as we all know there is a large, often-mocked "confurvative" group in LiveJournal, I think they might lean toward the Republicans. But of course, we can't legitimize their efforts to be taken seriously as a community, unlike the Goreans who are most certainly a "fandom". While the Gor books might be hilariously bad, and people like IntBlubber read Rand in the same tier of literary quality, I don't think furries have ever read anything but their own cybersex chats.

I wonder how Palin views married women with kids who sell their pussies on weekends to rich guys. I'll bet she doesn't have a whole lot of sympathy for them, despite their sympathy for her...

Teenage mother? I don't give a damn what your reasoning is - you got into the situation, deal with it.

yes reality

deal with it

but in the way that the individual girl or woman chooses not how the goverment dictates

forcing a woman to carry a baby to full term is no different from rape

deal with it

Well I'm a feminist and pro choice and I don't care who the Goreans in they're unrealistic world is going to vote for. My vote will be for Palin because she is a fine example of what true feminism is all about. Not to mention I beleive in everything she stands for except the pro choice issue.

Wouldn't the finest example of feminism be to not sit underneath a male as a candidate?

If anything, Palin is a fine example of militant 'feminists' who fail to understand that just like chauvanists, they have no place in modern society. The world is not about which race is better, and the idea of using your gender as a political aid is just stupid.

Feminism is Marge Thatcher, and look at what good she did for the U.K in the 80's. She pissed off alot of miners, banned milk from school lunches, and decided that Argentina needed to get smacked back into line over their escapade in the Falklands.

The truth of it is that if you seriously consider feminism or chauvanism to be a valid reason to vote for somebody, you might as well move to 'the Sudan' as some retard posted earlier. What's the point of a free and equal society if you're using gender as a sort of political leverage?

I close by stating that I'm not even entitled to vote, therefor this opinion is from an outside observer. If I were going to vote, I'd vote for Jay Z's dog...

depends on your definition of true feminism Debi D

depends also if issues like the environment and pushing for fairy tales to be taught in schools is less or more important

for a politician what lies between the ears should matter more than what lies between the legs

"My vote will be for Palin because she is a fine example of what true feminism is all about."

Vapid women with no clue trying to pretend they know a thing about politics? And that they have experience in internation relations?

"Not to mention I beleive in everything she stands for except the pro choice issue."

If you even KNOW what Palin stands for, then you already know more than she does!

Until we have Sarah Palin naked as the Post 6 Grrrl, I'm not interested. My vote goes for the party whose team has the biggest tits. Tragically, both parties are full of tits, assholes, dicks, and pussies, so the whole voting thing is a bit problematic.

I'm just happy there's some eye-candy to take my eyes of this little side issue of having an economy built on too much credit and a bunch of politicos who are calling on "patriots" to agree to a $700 billion bail-out for "the good of the country," while they themselves are stuffing their own barrels of pork into the bill. There's so much dead pig being added that this would be an illegal piece of legislation in Israel and the entire Muslim world.

But just get Sarah to flash a smile and a little black-stockinged leg and you can pass me the hand basket for our collective trip to hell.

Last two elections, you guys fucked up massively.

Please, make the right choice this time not only for the USA, but also for the rest of the world. Bush didnt only screw over America, the entire planet has felt the burdon of another warmongering asshole in the White House.

In your defence, of course, I still believe the last 2 elections weren't won, but bought... which of course on the other hand shouldnt have been an unfixable problem, after all the right to bear arms is in the constitution to be able to prevent these kind of things, not only in the past when it was the English, but also the present where it is the oil and arms lobby running and screwing over things.

Please, choose wisely.

Corona - allowing a teenage girl the easy option out unless she is the victim of a rape or would otherwise die if the pregnancy came to full term teaches them "Hey! It's ok to go out and have unprotected sex! I can just abort my mistakes!"

Sorry, no. The teenager got into that situation and must now deal with the consequences.

We allow too fucking much in this country - each generation is coddled more than the last and allowed to do more things that are rather damaging as a whole than the prior generation.

Forcing a teenage twit who should have known better to carry a baby full term is no better than rape? What are you smoking? apparently someone, somewhere failed to teach you to take responsibility for your actions and failed to instill in you the ability to separate such nonsense out.

Rape is a Crime. It is forced sexual intercourse and is more often than not a power trip for the male or males involved.

While being stupid or careless is NOT a crime - it damn well SHOULD be.

Jessie decides to fuck Jim because he's 'hot' and is the star quarterback of the high school team. she does not force Jim to use protection and she herself is not on the pill or using any other means of protection. Jessie gets pregnant because of it.

As it currently stands, Jessie can get an abortion and learn NOTHING from the entire experience. All she has really learned is that she can fuck whomever she wants - unprotected - and simply erase her 'mistake'.

Now then, because she enjoyed the act of sex she is now fucking every guy in her class. every time she gets pregnant, she aborts. eventually however she fucks the wrong guy without using protection of any kind - despite her parents attempting to curb her habits or at least use protection - and now has the absolute worst STD: HIV/AIDS. she does not know this until it is too late and has already fucked several of her prior partners and passed this disease on.

On the flip side:

Jessie fucks Jim and gets pregnant. Because of the law I myself would like to see implemented she cannot get an abortion unless Jim raped her (this must be proven mind) or unless she could die by carrying the baby full term. Yes, her life becomes hell for the next nine months. However she can choose to give the baby up for adoption after it is born. What does she learn from this and from the trauma of the past nine months? She learns that, while pleasurable sex comes with a price when engaged in without protection - and redundant protection at that. she may well choose to fuck every guy in the school still but at the least she is doing it with protection and thus avoiding contracting most STDs. It is hoped however that Jessie does not become so promiscuous and is far more careful about who she chooses to be her partner - said partner being forced to use protection because Jessie does not want to become pregnant again until she is older.

Harsh? Yes.

The same as rape? No.

Sometimes trauma is good as a teaching method where all others have failed. If this sort of law were implemented, eventually the teenage pregnancy rates in a given generation would drop. The longer such a law is in effect, the lower the rates go - especially once Jessie's friends realize that they too would be made to carry the child.

While you might not agree with the policy I would like to have implemented - if you are going to refute it kindly do so with a logical argument and not with some bullshit reasoning that equates such a lesson above with rape. If I could, I'd have reached through the monitor to slap you for even daring to think such a preposterous thing.

I have a few friends who were the victims of rape. I also have a few friends who were forced to carry a baby full term (while they were in school mind you) and I can tell you: The trauma is NOT the same. I have actually gotten them together and talked with both sets of friends before concerning my views. Aside from one or two of those who were made to carry the baby, they agreed. Of course what also came up was what I believe to be a fitting punishment for a rapist: send him to prison - sure. However make certain he himself is raped each and every day for the duration of his stay in prison. In addition to this the final parts of the penalty for being convicted of rape are dependent on repeat offenses. One of the following would be done to any rapist that did not learn his lesson: At the end of his prison term, the rapist is put to death OR at the end of his term he has his genitals removed. If he somehow persists a third time after having his genitals removed, he is put to death. A slow death where the victim is offered the chance to torture the rapist in any way she feels like.

Come back to me when you have a logical argument to support your idea please corona.

There's a phrase that comes to mind. Ahhh, it's on the tip of my tongue...

Oh yeah.

"The fate of the world hangs in the balance."

That was it.

:(

Was it mentioned Sarah Palin is a maverick?

That's it!

She is secretly [html]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(TV_series) James Garner[/html]

Did anyone ask what the goreans thought about anything, ever?

I don't think I want political analysis from a people who see fit to let themselves be ruled by giant golden ants.

hahahaha "reality" lives in a world where people get dozens of abortions and the foster care system isn't a hellish disaster

what reality would that be? the one of the average SL-using middle-upper-class sheltered e-lib, where the ruled guilty are always guilty, everyone else makes poor decisions (hence the "reality" superiority complex), and moral issues are black and white. welfare is giving poor people money when they should just get a job, Itaq was justified because Saddam was a dictator, and we need to stop helping those uppity black people who flood Ivy League schools solely by existing, right?

cut off your own genitals.

well hello mooty dearie!

Seems that - as usual - you are purposely obtuse, just so you can try and make some witless comment and typecast a person as what you yourself are.

I live in a world where most parents are fucking failures when it comes to instilling any kind of values on their kids. Parents are too fucking soft on their kids these days.

Now - if you had actually READ what I have said so far dearie you would have seen that I'd rather there be FEWER abortions. Though I doubt anyone would have missed a classic Net Gen twit like you mooty dearie.

come back when you can actually participate in society.

thats a lot of words for "no u"

u mad, Max?

Hmm? Did you say something Mooty?

Nope - just a small post that contains a bit of unintelligent internet child bullshit.

But to answer anyway dearie: Mad? No, I'm perfectly sane - thank you very much (sanity is subjective mind you). Now was I angry when I wrote my response?

Perhaps.

See - unlike you and your buddies - I judge people based solely on what I have seen of them and do not make such wild statements.

The sort of person you accuse me of being is the sort I'd love nothing more than to be able to feed them to starving cannibals ... Along with twits like you who cannot be bothered to actually take the time to read and think before being the typical internet child.

Leave the internet memes in the trash bin when responding to me in the future Mooty - and only respond when you're capable of actually being a part of society.

Reality = Penance Seautereau

Carry on.

This article bores me, Not relevant to the Average Britfag.

Reality,

The reason why people are having problems with your argument is that it starts with faulty presumptions.

Getting pregnant and having an abortion, even if it doesn't come to term, is a consequence. Women can have an abortion and "learn a lesson.'

Just because you get pregnant and bring the baby to term doesn't mean that you will never have sex until marriage again. Some women just continue to have more babies.

Plus, what do you mean "prove rape"? Do you mean you want someone convicted? If not, do you mean that a woman has to show that its "more likely than not" or "beyond a reasonable doubt" that she was raped? Who do you have to prove it to? Is it a doctor? Is it a court? And part of what you're suggesting is why many women are pro-choice when they would never get an abortion themselves. Why should someone else, anyone else, decide what to do to our bodies? (And don't make an insurance company argument. That's a question of payment. If money wasn't a factor, no one prevents you from getting any medical treatment.)

And then your groups that you asked were rape victims and women who had babies. You didn't say that they were women who were told they *had* to have the baby or that it was illegal to do anything else but have the baby.
So of course bringing a baby to term is not the same as being raped.

The point Corona was makign that being told that you can't have an abortion or being told you have to have an abortion is still someone exerting control over your body. And if rape is a crime of power, then yes it is the same thing.

Plus you sound like you are making the argument that if Parents don't teach their children the way you would like to have them be taught then the government should intervene. Most people are trying to keep the government out of our lives, not intrude into it.

(And lets see who follows up with that statement.)

Jess, the friends I brought this to were rape victims and those who became pregnant while STILL in High School, whose parents made damn sure the pregnancy could not be aborted.

I am afraid I will have to ask you to go back and actually read that comment again Jess as you seem to have misread it. Nowhere did I state that the goal was to keep these girls from having sex until they are married. I said that it should at the very least teach them to use protection.

forgive this response jumping around - it is the early morning for me.

On the 'logic' presented concerning the policy I'd want enacted being equated to Rape .... Sorry but, no. to compare them on that level is to ignore the fact that rape causes a different sort of trauma than having to carry a pregnancy. corona's comparison is irrelevant on several scales to begin with: Different trauma, let alone the fact that parents these days - with very few exceptions - seem to be more than willing to let their teenagers run free and unprotected. It has to stop.

Yes Jes, women can learn from having to have an abortion - teenagers of this generation cannot. Yes - teenagers are the primary targets of this sort of policy change.

Do I want the government to step in? No, I do not WANT the government to step in but I see no other choice - other than to just have the parents who could not give a flying fuck what their daughter was doing and would have aided her by giving her an easy out. Yeah - Abortion is not 'easy' but you know something? It is still an enabler for the sort of behavior that "Jessie" seems to be prone to.

I really do not give a damn about how sexually active teenagers are today. stopping them isn't my goal. Getting the little fucks to actually think before they screw someone is. As is making damn sure they use the proper protection - and redundant protections if they really are smart - as well.

If I have missed anything - feel free to drop me an e-mail or an offline. I need to go get some coffee and get to my day.

oh yes fine reality

females 'have to learn a lesson' about having 'too much' sex

and what would teach males that?

thank you Jessica for understanding my point

Forcing a teenage twit who should have known better (than to have sex)

???
what planet are you on

so females who follow their natural reproductive instinct are feeble minded in your world view

if following the natural reproductive instinct makes humans stupid
then intelligent men must be extremely rare

reality states

I also have a few friends who were forced to carry a baby full term

talked with both sets of friends

concerning my views

Aside from one or two of those who were made to carry the baby, they agreed.

so of 'a few' one or two disageed

that sounds like a high proportion of a 'few to me'

only a male who will never have to worry about carrying a child would think up your veiwpoint

asked a few friends

to be valid the sample has to be a bit larger than a few

for example

putting the question
' was hitler good'

would produce very different answers if put to a large sample of population or to juts a few neo nazis

your friends are presumbaly acquired from those who share your world veiw
so hardly a fair or valid sample

asked a few friends

to be valid the sample has to be a bit larger than a few

for example

putting the question
' was hitler good'

would produce very different answers if put to a large sample of population or to juts a few neo nazis

your friends are presumbaly acquired from those who share your world veiw
so hardly a fair or valid sample

two minor points

no sugestion that 'reality' is a facist is intended

however we are dicussing Gor - whose basics ethos is that ' might is right' and that women are an inferior race

see

http://oversight.house.gov/features/politics_and_science/example_abstinence.htm

for a reveiw of the effectivenesss of 'abstinance only' sex education

Corona - Drop it.

You have failed to present your views or 'rebuttals' with anything other than a few lines of bullshit, misquotes and word twisting - let alone a remark that makes it very clear that you were never worth my time to begin with.

Yep - I am male Corona and guess what? That means jack shit. My viewpoint is just as valid as anyone's. If you cannot accept that then kindly return to whatever hole you crawled out of. Take with you the teenagers and other twits and idiots that frankly deserve whatever they get.

The topic raised by my initial comment was Abortion and a method to curb the teenage pregnancy rate. How you got out of that a policy to curb teenage sex is beyond me. Yes - under the policy I'd like to see implemented, a few may well give up sex. It is my intent that they at the very least USE PROTECTION. How many times must that be stated before it gets through your thick skull hmm?

Have you actually READ my comments corona? Have you actually sat back to process them before spewing a bunch of bullshit?

Let us be realistic here hmm? No group of friends agrees on the same things nor do they all hold the same or even as similar world view. Period. to attempt to state otherwise is just more of your bullshit.

Here is the topic of this discussion and (lack of) debate for your Corona: Abortion and ways to prevent Teenage Pregnancy.

Now then - I have put forth and restated my own view several times while you have failed to do more than make side remarks, use a bunch of bullshit and apply a type of thinking that I would personally shoot someone for (thinking that, as a male, my viewpoint is less than valid). Oh - and before you come back with more bullshit - your very words alone show that last to be true Corona.

Only a vapid twit would believe that gender has anything to do with a VALID and quite frankly EFFECTIVE. viewpoint. Yep - it only covers half of the problem: The half that - just from what I saw while in school - has a hard time actually knowing when enough is enough in regard to the teenage pregnancy aspect. Now - whose fault is that? The girl? The parents? The government? society as a whole?

The answer - all of the above.

Myself? You may find this hard to believe but I assure you it is the truth: Up until about a year ago - and no, I won't be telling you how old I am, suffice it to say I am above drinking age - I had NO sex at all. It was on my birthday that I have sex for the first time and with a woman I love.

do you know why I waited? It was not wholly by choice there: My parents actually did their fucking job and instilled good core values. I cannot say the same for most parents today.

Yep - my solution is one sided corona because there are no truly effective ways to get a male to think about using protection - let alone doing what I did. You either do your god damn job and instill the right values or you fail to do so and end up with another statistic.

If you have a better plan or one for the other half of the equation Corona - feel free to share it. Be warned however - there had better be none of the bullshit that your prior comments have contained thus far in your next response. So far I can invalidate all of your 'responses' with something very simple:

Your prior responses are invalid on the grounds that they are fueled by nothing more than a sexist attitude.

And before you even TRY and pull a reversal Corona - I do not look down on women nor do I think a woman's opinion on topics is invalid due to gender. Hell - if there was a far more effective way than my own view to this topic I would be all for it.

However the current generation is beyond all but the most extreme methods and quite frankly society as a whole is - in my opinion - too keen on coddling teenagers and older members of society to which this issue affects and I'm sick and bloody tired of it.

I really would love it if you could have the choice and actually be responsible. from everything I have seen - the current generation and the one prior simply are NOT capable of being responsible.

I will not say this again for you Corona: GO AWAY UNTIL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF WRITING A REASONABLE AND RATIONAL RESPONSE.

@ Reality: "My parents actually did their fucking job and instilled good core values. I cannot say the same for most parents today."

Leaving aside any debate about what "good core values" may be, I first applaud your parents for instilling in you a set of values that enable you to live independently and have the ability to express your opinions. Those of us who have been through that personal hell called "parenthood" are usually well aware of how difficult a job it actually is and how there is no training for it. If anyone says bringing up kids is easy, then they have been lucky. And I say that because no matter what we WANT our kids to turn out like, there's a large chance they won't.

By the age of three, EVERYONE will tell you how smart their kid is; how he talked at 3 months; how he can disassemble a tractor and rebuild it; how he's writing for the New Yorker; and how she'll be at Harvard Medical school at 12. Folks, by the time they're sixteen, you'll be happy if they get a job in WalMart - or even a job. Individually, we all ignore the Bell Curve of Life and believe that OUR offspring will be up there above 3 standard deviations and running the country. Sadly, collectively we know that 99% of the human population live lives of quiet desperation in ordinary jobs where shit happens and many things are out of our control.

My point here, Reality, is that you may be lucky to be one of those folks who have made the top 10th percentile in relation to having had an upbringing that worked out pretty much as your parents hoped. Statistically, that's absolutely possible. Someone has to win a lottery. But because it all worked out well for you doesn't mean that it will work out well for everyone else. Other parents also struggle to provide "core values" and do whatever they can to make that happen. Yet tragically, shit really does happen and kids go off the rails, get pregnant, do drugs, or even die. And what happens is that those parents who didn't have to face these things think, "well, my kids did OK so it must be the lousy parents," when in truth, it can happen to anyone.

I'm not being judgmental, or at least I don't want to be. However, I do caution against regarding your own successful upbringing as being the model for everyone else. It's unfair to call parents "bad" because their kids do something wrong. Don't forget, kids are (a) individuals and (b) independent thinkers. We like to believe we can mold our kids into model citizens but the reality is that we grow up partly as a result of our parents' input and partly as a result to how we interact with the world.

And my final point from all this is that in the same way individuals use their own yardsticks to tell others how to behave, when governments telling people how to behave, this becomes very dangerous. Whenever possible, choices should always be left to the individual, not the government. I left my parents many many years ago and am fully independent, capable of making my own decisions, even if other folks don't like them. I have no intention of letting the government act in loco parentis.

Sadly, some people seem to like to elect new parents.

I do work for Planned Parenthood and can tell you first hand that the issue is not nearly as black and white as you would have it seem, Un-Reality. The fact is, there are a lot of other possible factors that can lead to teenage pregnancy than ignorance, as you would put it.

In many jurisdictions, it is illegal for anyone other than parents to give contraceptives to a minor. And in an uptight religious household, do you really think Daddy's going to just sign off on his son's promiscuity? In some religions like Catholicism, contraceptive use is even considered more sinful than the act itself. In addition, many conservative areas including areas such as he state of Alaska and Lubbock, Texas, outlaw the teaching of sex education other than pure abstinence. If your parents won't teach you about it, your school won't teach you about it, and you don't have contact to other educational resources, how are you going to know how important it is to use protection?

There are students here at my university that I and my friends have actually had to teach what a condom is. There are many rural communities where children are quite simply being restricted from this knowledge, and to blame them is just wrong.

Furthermore, even when protection is sued, there are statistically slim, but not non-existent, extenuating circumstances that cause issue. Condoms are not invincible. They can and do break every once in a while, particularly after being carried in a wallet for an extended period of time as in the case of many young men. And, though it is a billion to one chance, every once in a while the condom does not work. Each ejaculation can contain more than 20 million sperm cells. All it takes is one survivor to conceive.

Finally, if you were to outlaw abortion, do you really think that would stop it. Abortions were being carried out long before Roe and they would continue long after it were it overturned. The only difference is that controlled, healthy, sterilized, safe medical operations, would replaced with a coat hanger up the cooch. Studies have shown that abortion rate, and the fatalities accompanying them, are highest in countries where abortions are illegal.

If you really want to have a reasonable and correct argument, you should conduct more research than a few buzz-words you hear from the talk radio circuit. I have included a link to the Planned Parenthood website, and I encourage you to look intelligently into the matter. Furthermore, for perspective on the sex education debate, check out the documentary the Education of Shelby Knox, which chronicles the efforts for high school students in 2004 to get proper sex education further than abstinence only.

Reality: "My parents actually did their fucking job and instilled good core values. I cannot say the same for most parents today."

what gives you the right to think that your core values are right

right for you perhaps

and what is actually wrong with teenage girls having abortions if that is what they want
if done late yes it is traumatic

but there are such things as morning after pills

but of course over there in USa such thigns are not available freely

your arguements sound suspiciously xtian to me
possibly even islamic though that is douptful

there is an easy way to ensure there are no abortions or teenage pregnancies

have the goverment encourage gay and lesbian sex in school

problem solved

the teens get all the sex their hormones demand of them
while the parents can sleep safely knowing the offspring wont get pregnant

Corona: either present a proper argument or shut the hell up already.

The fact that you would bring any sort of 'faith' into this at all as an 'argument' is proof enough that you are not responding to debate - you are responding for no other reason than to heckle and I've frankly had enough of it.

If I could reach through this screen and give you and people like you who somehow think that they need to heckle someone and simply refuse to provide a real argument a sound dose of Head Against Desk logic .... I would.

I will agree on one thing - there needs to be emphasis as well on alternate forms of sexual relationships.

For the rest?

Morning After Pill? Gee, that'd be fine and dandy if it wasn't yet another pitiful method of coddling and allowing an out.

What gives me the right to say my values are correct?

Gee - I don't know ... How about the fact that you are sitting here and trying to tell me that it is perfectly fine for someone to go out, fuck whomever they want with no care in the world and without being careful or taking precautions until after the fact and then adding in a method for such people to continue down that path until such a time as it is too late to prevent the inevitable: Contraction of a fatal disease that can be passed to others.

Now then - which would you say is correct? The desire to prevent the above or your own view in which the above can, will and DOES happen?

Come back when you've grown up a bit and can respond with a bit more than "You're wrong, I am right and do not have to debate the point". Indeed - come back when you are capable of having a proper debate and can actually form a proper argument: I'm done with you.

You're not worth any more of my time if you cannot do anything more than sound off and use what amounts to a grain of sand as an argument.

RU-486, colloquially known as the Morning After pill, does not induce or relate to abortions. It is a massive does of hormones that instantly triggers menstruation. This prevents conception, provided it has not already taken place. If conception has already taken place, RU-486 has no effect what-so-ever.

I am the only one allowed to spout profanity and bullshit arguments while harassing those who disagree with me, no one else. ONLY I DO!!!!

I think if Reality had gotten laid more often in his past, he'd be a bit more relaxed now! Dude, what went wrong in your childhood? It's really amazing to see how you go ballistic on arguments you don't consider to be arguments in your little redneck part of the world but have nothing to put up against hard facts as offered by Nikola ...

I see the little children have come out to play again.

Nikola - I really do not care what it does. It's an excuse and a crutch.

Corona: either present a proper argument or shut the hell up already.

The fact that you would bring any sort of 'faith' into this at all as an 'argument' is proof enough that you are not responding to debate - you are responding for no other reason than to heckle and I've frankly had enough of it.

and

who the fuck do you think you are - that you believe people should adhere to standards that you set for yourself?

you want to follow self imposed moral standards fine -feel free
but just what gives you the right to think that others should do what you do just because your doing so

get off your fucking high horse and wake up to the real world

Reality talks about how he would make girls carry children to full term and how its important they get taught a lesson that sex is bad

surely someone getting VD is just a valauble a lesson

but reality does not mean that people should learn lessons in life

what he clearly means from reading hi rants is that people should only learn lessons he approves of

that is the diff between us reality

i have a set of moral and ethical values

but i dont harbour the false illusion that i have a right to expect others to follow tham as well

-yawn-

Still coming back for more Corona? Now all you are is a simple amusement for me to pass the time.

I really do not need to answer any of your questions, nor come off of any 'high horse' little one.

It is clear from reading your responses that you are nothing more than a vapid waste of space who cannot even bother to respond in a debate or base argument in a manner that would get you laid out by anyone with a short temper.

How about you wake up to the real world, grow up and learn to respond within a debate or base argument in a proper manner?

You have no right to respond in the way you do and as far as I am concerned ... people like you who find it impossible to respond with anything more than wild, uninformed and baseless accusations - the ones that think they actually know what a person is saying but instead know nothing at all and are reacting wildly and without a shred of intelligence - have NO rights whatsoever.

What you have is a false sense that you can respond to a reasoned argument with emotions, lines of quite obvious bullshit and your own lack of understanding of what is being said.

You think you know me as well as my standpoint Corona - you know nothing at all and it shows in each and every response you have typed. I can go back to your very first response and read each one since then and see this.

Until such a time as you are capable of responding to me as you should - with an actual argument and not your emotional bullshit laced with a gross lack of understanding - I will treat you as I would a child with an IQ of 50.

I will close with a few final words for you little one, dumbed down so you can actually understand them through that thick skull and wall of emotional bullshit:

.......

Oh wait - I forgot that it would be impossible to do so.

Come back in about twenty years Corona - maybe then you'll have grown enough to present a proper argument.

Have you ever had a condom break, Unreality? That's scary as hell. You did practice good judgment and responsibility, but chaos theory took over and something bad happened. It's not a "convenient excuse". When that happens, those involved are usually terrified. See, the condom doesn't break when you're putting it on. It breaks when you ejaculate. By the time that happens, it is too late to do anything else. I've seen kids in tears they were so afraid because it happened. Believe it or not, it's real easy for a condom to break, particularly if applied incorrectly which, as it requires it to be worn slightly loose at the end, seems counter intuitive without experience. Have you ever been in that situation? It's not fun. It's not an "oops, well I don't have to be safe, I can go do this and cover myself." It's expensive, averaging on the low end $50 for a single capsule. And, as pharmacists can refuse to hand it out if they are ignorant rednecks, it can sometimes be damn near impossible to find somewhere to buy this one dose. It doesn’t come in a nice little bottle, easy to get as Tylenol. And it’s not fun, either. It has been known to cause severe physical nausea and illness, and the fact that you start dripping heavy mucus out of your vaginal cavity is not exactly a sexual selling point. And, to top it off, your next period is the mother of all menstrual cycles. It hurts more, bleeds more, does everything to a higher factor. RU-486 will fuck your body up in some of the worst ways possible. It is not something you ever want to have to take more than once. It is emergency contraception in the strictest definition, roughly analogous to amputation for a leg wound. When you have no other choice, it can save you, but it is far from pleasurable, and never even something you would wish on your worst enemy. To write it off as an excuse for teenage promiscuity is ignorant, foolish, and honestly laughable, in so much as you clearly are unqualified to talk about the subject. Before telling other people they need to have a reasonable argument, you really need to have the ability to do so yourself, and to respond to those that do.

People who address others as "dearie" and "little one" have some serious fucking issues. Did you watch The Wizard of Oz one too many times? Are you male Reality? If so, this "dearie" shit is even more bizzaro...

You keep telling people that they are not worth your time and to come back in 20 years, so what the fuck are you still doing here, turdblossom?

Grow up and get a life, douchebag.

I put in my comments in the few minutes i have at tea break at work - so hardly have time to present detailed arguemnts

besides
a) you dont merit such

and b) others have done that for me - but as someone said above - it is noticeable that you dont respond to them

moreover it is noticeable that your replies dont address the points i make but instead are merely sad attempts to denigrate my age and intelligence

by using such a tactic you insult your own

You think you know me as well as my standpoint Corona

the way you write reveals a lot more about you then just your stance it shows a lot about your personality

those who have taught in primary and secondary schools like I have will know this

So Reality because i disaagree with you I must be immature and or stupid

your argeument must be very weak and feebley poor if you have to resort to personal attacks to try and strengthen your case

Nikola - kindly do not make me laugh anymore ok?

Alright - so that particular pill has some rather nasty side effects. Putting exactly what it does in black and white does not change much at all ... sorry - it simply doesn't. The only thing it has changed is that I would now like very much to find and beat the living hell out of the scientist or team of such who created the damn thing.

Other than that? It is still an excuse - an extreme way of going about keeping yourself from getting pregnant? Yes. Needing to be pulled off of the market and destroyed, due just to its side effects? Yep. Doesn't really mean I do not view it as an excuse when it is used however.

Take that as you will.

Corona? I frankly do not care where you work and what 'insight' you think you may have nor do I care how much time you may have to type up a response.

Kindly cease making excuses.

No one has said anything for you Corona. They have presented their own issues - not your issues.

Your replies have made no points whatsoever and up to and including your last three have been nothing more than a bunch of blathering and emotional responses laced with accusations and assumptions which you cannot back up whatsoever.

Let us take your very last one for example - shall we?

"So Reality because i disaagree with you I must be immature and or stupid"

No Corona - I said nothing of the sort. I said that the use of emotional responses, accusations, assumptions and other such things in your responses - things that you have yet to back up with first hand knowledge of me - makes you thus.

There IS a difference.

"the way you write reveals a lot more about you then just your stance it shows a lot about your personality

those who have taught in primary and secondary schools like I have will know this "

Sorry to have to break this to you but uh ... Wrong. See, this is why I never liked teachers - among other people .... Let us see what you have 'learned' shall we?

Did you learn that I am normally very kind and caring? Did you learn that in a normal discussion, debate or argument that I am actually rather polite and not very demanding? Did you learn that I only become aggressive and start responding as I have been when a person decides to cop an attitude or attempts to pull out something truly ignorant - like ... this: "only a male who will never have to worry about carrying a child would think up your veiwpoint" for example?

I think I will answer the above questions for you Corona - since by your own words you would rather others speak for you - an observation mind you.

No to all of the above questions.

Making a judgment on a person's viewpoint and personality based only on what they have written is thus about as accurate as a shotgun being used for sniping ... and about as intelligent.

Treat what you 'learn' from what I type as an opinion Corona. That is all you can have concerning my personality as you have no hard facts or personal experience with me.

Now - if you'd like all of this to be done in a civil manner ... start acting like it ok?

Reality is a cellar dweller who thinks talking like Queen Elizabeth II is going to win arguments.

Faggot.

If obviously a large part of Americans is so keen to save any and all lives, even that of a baby still in the lump-of-cells stage, that they dont want anyone ending that early life...

Why are they at the same time so very keen on destroying life everywhere possible, with hunting, wars and buying SUV's that kill on the very long term.

Funny, that.

Hahaha, Reality, shut the fuck up. xD

Anyways, this article doesn't make sense, unless the writer wanted to see how fictional characters from a fictional novel would react to a real life politician. Whew, that's a wide mental disconnect there, by golly!

So, to sum up, Unreality, a pill that does not work after conception, only works once for the one, $50 capsule, dosage, and has side effects so trying that were it not for the alternate possibility of conceiving a child when one is clearly not ready, or for other disastrous reasons such as rape or incest, is so clearly an "excuse". That's your viewpoint. Ignoring the basic fact that it is only contraceptive, that is only able to prevent conception not terminate existing pregnancies no matter how early in development they are, your refusal to acknowledge the possibility of extenuating circumstances such as broken protection is quite the obvious signal of how immature you really are.

RU-486 is nothing more than an extremely high dosage of birth control medication a responsible girl would already be taking. To say that a girl should be unduly burdened because her lover lied about the age of his condom is so disgustingly sexist it's deplorable. I'm not going to make the stupid argument and say you're acting on faith which you clearly aren't. But it's quite clear that the extent of your sex education come from your military parent repeating the basic "wear a rubber' line told to all foreign-bound enlistees. While it is fortunate that you did get at least that token of education, you could clearly use more in depth study, particularly if you want to be accusing people of using ignorant arguments without the basis of facts.

At any rate, you have proven a refusal to acknowledge actual facts and science in this field to instead try to shove your moral views down others throats. I have better things to do than respond to sexist demeanor such as yours, and as i have sufficiently disproven your garbage claims and junk science accusations with a brief overview of non-biased information so readers can make that decision themselves, I step out. Try your pointless flame war to becoming King of the Internet on your own. The public is informed, my job is done. If anyone has any other questions on the subject, feel free to ask and I will answer. Otherwise, adieu.

"Reality" is for people who can't handle drugs.

Kindly drop the act Nikola.

Nothing you have presented here is unbiased. Nothing.

You have said nothing at all that has not been considered ... and dismissed.

Shit happens - get over it and move on.

While you are at it - cease attempting to read into my background using my comments child. You have failed miserably at getting even a shred of truth by doing so, just as Corona has.

See - if the circumstances are anything but rape, a life and death situation or - and I'm glad you brought that one up, as I forgot about it - incest ... tough shit.

Did you perhaps bother to ask me what I'd have the father forced to do? No - you did not.

Jessie gets pregnant, Jessie is not raped, not in any danger and did not fuck her brother. Jessie must carry the baby full term. Joe, the father, has two choices: stick around and see what happens when you are not careful or use redundant (do you keep missing this part of it Nikola? You must be if you assume I believe a condom to be the only means of protection) protection .... or have his ability to have children - or sex in general - removed.

Nice try though in doing the same thing that Corona had Nikola. I hold a special place for kids like you who somehow think they know it all by simply reading what a person writes.

I do not approve of the use of such an extreme drug as a contraceptive - hence one of the reasons I view it as an excuse. You either do things right and take the proper precautions .... or you fuck up and end up being a father/mother.

It really is that simple and to try and say otherwise just goes to show how fucked up society has become today. "Oh, you made a mistake and now you're pregnant? well, let's let the father off the hook and let you return to what you've been doing." That sort of mentality makes me sick.

Now - your experience and that of your friends may have been different. I will admit that. I come from a town where the cheerleaders have no shame and many have slept with the whole football team ... and show no indication of stopping there. Many did get pregnant, had their abortions .... and went right back to doing the same damn thing. even going so far as to need an abortion a second - and even third - time.

That also disgusts me. I don't care if you're going to fuck the football team but for the sake of whatever being you believe in ... take the proper fucking precautions!

Jomin - If you have anything to contribute, do so. Otherwise, stuff it.

Roland? come back when you've finished school and grown up a bit kiddo. I do hope that one day you grow out of your infantile attitude.

Take care everyone else .... Nikola, Corona - if you'd like to have a civil discussion .. contact me in world. I am not on very often but I do check my mail for offline messages and do respond.

Look, it's not all that hard for you stupid shits to get. You're fucking wrong, and I'm right. It's that simple. The fact is women who get lied to by their boyfriends deserve to be knocked up. It serves them right for not knowing the truth of a situation. Women are meant to raise children they conceive. If they catch cum, they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in any situation that results. Spending $1400 a month on morning after pills are just an excuse for them to be stupid. Women don't deserve a life outside of the home like that. Stop presenting this bullshit of "scientific facts" and "unbiased information" and realize that you are immoral fuckheads. Now, let's try to be civil and you can embrace my truth. Doesn't that sound better dearie?

I see the kid that thinks he is amusing is still at it.

Graduated high school yet child?

"Reality" exists for the sole purpose of making Prokofy appear relatively sane by comparison.

What do you do if your woman leaves the kitchen?

Shorten her chain.

In all seriousness, people should have their own choice about their own bodies and their own lives. It also comes with responsibility, and if they cant take that, fuck 'em.

I was able to drink alcohol in 1979, if that gives you any clue, dumb shit (Reality).

See, part of growing up is learning to accept that other people may think differently than you do and that you shouldn't be able to dictate to them when it comes to such a personal and important decision. In fact, as you may one day (hopefully) learn after YOU grow up, people, in general, tend to become more tolerant (liberal) as they age.

People like you and the other busybodies in places like South Dakota would deny my cousin - who had twins who would both have died had not one been aborted - the care she needed. In fact, under this new law (which is probably going to pass and then be immediately bumped up to the US Supreme Court where both sides will vie for Justice Kennedy's vote, as he is considered the swing vote), the doctor would be sent to prison for 10 years, simply for SAVING one life over NONE.

BTW, the fucking moron who is leading the anti-abortion bill in South Dakota charge (again), had an abortion herself once.

Why am I not surprised?

Listen, if you want to be taken seriously and actually have civil conversation, as you claim, you need to drop the pretense that you are innately superior. That goes for the "dearie" and "child" crap too. I've been watching you say these same STUPID words for years around here. Give it a fucking break already, it's old. All it does is serve to make you look incrementally like more of a pathetic asshole/lunatic who substitutes patronising little digs for any actual argument.

That's my advice to you, 'cause right now you're just sounding like a fucking dipshit.

one for reality =
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news-feed/2008/10/10/i-haven-t-had-sex-for-105-years-86908-20789939/

Roland - I will not repeat this, so kindly listen up:

My use of particular words and the reasoning behind such is apparently one of the comments you must have missed. "Dearie" is reserved for those whom have either pissed me off - in the case of Corona - or those I simply hate on principle - Prokofy being a prime example.

Kid, Kiddo, Child, Little one ... These are all used in various instances. They are used more often when I have tried patiently to explain a viewpoint to someone - and it appears they refuse to understand on the simple basis of looking to cause trouble. I have used these as well to respond to people of any age that have yet to really grow up and be a bit more mature.

I really don't care how old you claim to be Roland - only one response so far from you has shown anything more than the maturity one would expect in a Junior or Senior High School student.

Do yourself a favor in all future conversations and do NOT jump to any conclusion NOR lump me in with ANY group of people Roland. Your cousin had an extenuating circumstance - I would rather see a live birth over two still born children. However - I would have made damn sure that the chance both would survive was less than 70% first.

That about sums things up there Roland, other for me to tell you this: Some people become jaded as they age. I am one of them. Cut the crap talk next time.

Now then .... Corona? What does a 105-year old virgin have to do with the topic which you have shown little real interest in debating?

Good for her: It does not prove anything whatsoever concerning the current generations however.