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[edit] Donate

I'm finding the current donate banner kind of aggressive - I think its gone just a tad too far. What about others? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Massive discussion on the Foundation list. How the hell does wikiversity make life easier? Geoff Plourde 00:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I added an option to Gadgets to hide it. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 03:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
That's great, Mike - how do we use it? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Go to Special:Preferences and the Gadgets tab, click it on, and then Save. However, for me that gives a message "Your password is invalid or too short. It must have at least 1 character and be different from your username." and it doesn't save the change. I can change my password to be more complex (it's not my user name ) and that might fix, but I've never had that message before. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it is kind of lame. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 06:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I just went to my watchlist on commons: and it had a message saying "Watchlist options: Registered users may remove the fundraiser notice by enabling "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner." in the Gadgets tab of their Preferences.". How can we fix the gadget and do something similar on WV? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It's already up and running. Go to Special:Preferences, click the gadgets tab, and the fist gadget is labeled "To suppress display of the fundraiser banner." Select that, save your preferences, and then purge your cache. --SB_Johnny talk 11:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I get the message "Your password is invalid or too short. It must have at least 1 character and be different from your username." on trying to save the preference - but I didn't get that for the same account/password on commons. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
That's weird. Probably best thing to do is just change your password... whatever's going on there is something the devs would need to change. One guess: if Wikiversity is your "home wiki" (under SUL), it might be that you only get that kind of warning on your home wiki (that's just a guess though). --SB_Johnny talk 12:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Further weird is that I tried a much longer password - same problem. But then about half an hour later, the donate banner disappeared and on looking in my prefs/gadgets the box was now ticked. All's well that ends well - geez, and I was about to write out a 3.5 million to check to get rid of the bloody thing. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template help

For the MediaWiki-wizards, why doesn't the example work properly on {{100%done}}? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless I don't understand what you're trying to do, it works fine. Perhaps clear the cache? – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 03:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look, Mike. The mystery for me is why the example doesn't display with a border and on the right? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, it's a mystery to me too. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 22:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Some changes to the wiki parser awhile back effect how things are interpreted at times depending on their placement relative to other elements. I think in this case it was due to being on the same line as other text. I have fixed the problem for you. --darklama 16:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki service courses

one rather intriguing course proposal is Wikipedia service-learning courses. It has seen some new interest lately. It is one of the few proposals where I could imagine where this community defines coursework that would actually offer a legitamite accreditation.

the idea that a wikimedian would define coursework and a test that proof student competence is not a new one and there are all kinds of proposals, quizes and suggestions. Indeed from the very start (it seems) wikiversity participants have been trying to figure out if they can allow this site to offer accreditated material.

I have been attentive to the many proposals but feel that in most cases this will never happen. I feel there are three big problems with offering accrediated coursework here;

In a environment free to everyone to write, how does an instructor prove his competence, create authority, and prevent the incompetent from altering his carefully researched plan? The course agenda needs written, and things must be said with authority. The entire wiki project is about minimizing authority and harnessing the entire community to collaborate; but the lecture is the basis of accrediated learning, the entire that a master shares and guides his knowledge.
The come and explore, seach and contribute model lends itself very poorly to structured coursework. Classes usually begin at a certan time, lastt for a set time and require a rigourous attendance, and participation. While perhaps wikiversity could use a little more attendance, penalizing interested people for coming late, getting side-tracked with a favorite project and creating a enforced set in stone agenda is against the whole vision of a wiki (and by the way ,I still see courses where authors have created penalties for missing lectures, and cut off dates of when to begin and when they can end a course; I urge them to reconsider this kind of edits; IMHO its incivil).
Lastly, lecturing just really doesn't fit very well into a learning by doing model. In fact one of the problems with the site is that there are few enough people here with such diverse interest, that one's writings inevitable become a seldom read lecture. Learning by doing, means that if you define it, there are people interested in Doing it. Learning by doing also means that if you write it there are people interesting in discussing it and offering their own viewpoints. We have too many discussions regarding ethics and policy and not enough on content.

I write this rather exhaustive critique to point out that the suggested course Wikipedia service-learning courses seems a clear exception to my three reservations regarding accreditation.

An instructor / facilitator can easily prove his competence in writing and utililizing wiki technology The course lends itself to the kind of come and explore model Lastly, editing is the one thing in wikiversity you DO alot of.

BUT here's the problem; I know the adage to BE_BOLD. but the very nature of an accrediated course is that the instructor has proven authority and competence. I do not have it. Someone must make the call on what constitutes solid skills on wiki technology; someone with more than one month (however intensive) experience here.

to the many people who have proposed future accreditations; this is your 'low lying' fruit IMHO. this is the one course that I think really could work. So, wikiversity community what do you think?

(and I might quickly add that the proposed courses are really about utilizing wiki technology and constitute so much more than just skills at defining wikipedia)--JoliePA 15:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I have been doing alot of browsing and think that there is a need to succinctly define and list active courses. We need to foster within wikiversity what a course can and cannot be. much of the comments regarding good courses have been restated. Several wikiversity participants have spent literally years thinking about what would be a good wikiversity course and am really would appreciate their input.--JoliePA 17:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I like this course as well, i think it can create a kind of momentum, beneficial to Wikiversity and the Wikimedia Foundation.--Daanschr 12:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reading list template

JWS made a useful suggestion on his blog that probationary custodians should at least be asked to read the Wikiversity policy pages. I like this idea, and visualised a template which could be substituted to a candidate's page, with cross, ticks, etc. as policy reading is completed. Such a template might also be suitable more generically, as a way of demonstrating and recording task completion. I think maybe Robert Elliott has played with this. Will go hunting, but feel free to make suggestions, and then perhaps we could craft a list of "essential" or "recommended" reading for custodians. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, frankly. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 09:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising?

In one of my courses, I intend to list a number of recommended text books and sites where they can be bought. By doing this, will I break the rule against advertising? --Ohara 19:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

IMO, so long as you're not using affiliate links, you're okay, though use free resources wherever possible. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 21:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Topic:Historical Christian theology

I've been babysitting this topic, and it's seen a lot of activity lately, but I have no idea what to make of all of it—it appears to be a summary of important people, events, and concepts in the History of Christianity—an overwhelmingly large premise, IMO, and the sort of stuff more suited to Wikipedia. So far I've just watched it grow (worked on by IP's, possibly as part of some external course), but I'm wondering what we can do with it. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 21:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a simple header of two sentences could easily bring it within the scope of Wikiversity. Something like, this is the curriculum for a course on historical theology.--Daanschr 08:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
While a header is probably a good idea, its content isn't really the curriculum for a course on historical theology. Its content is pretty much an omniumgatherum of all sorts of things relating to Christian history. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 09:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It's still under construction, and this line: "Dr Partee asks us to expand on the items in RED" [1], suggests that it may be a collaborative seminary project, possibly referring to this Dr. Partee. It might be worth keeping an eye on it and seeing what kind of project we've got at the end of the semester. SχeptomaniacχαιÏετε 23:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] InstaView on Wikiversity

Hello! I noticed that the preview in Wikiversity takes currently quite long. I came across Live Preview a Javascript-based preview tool that does not require server connection in each preview. There is an instruction, for install it on other wikis. I set up an script that adjusts the variables for Wikiversity. It seems to work. In order to make it working for any other user that uses monobook skin, the user has just to copy the contents of my monobook.js page into his own monobook.js page.

Could some experienced users check, that this procedure robust and not harmful? Then I can recommend this to other wikiversity users. --tomaschwutz 17:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is not robust; you can see the faults described on the page you linked. However it is not at all harmful to use it. I removed &dontcountme=s from your monobook, since that is deprecated. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mike for the check. I found out about wikEd in the meantime and switched to this one. It also works with Wikiversity. --tomaschwutz 21:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] <preload

Hi,

I am trying to make a page generator based on this one on WikiEducator but the preloads in the generated pages do not seem to work.

For example, I created this page using the generator (preload worked fine) and then when clicking on the Resources or Activities links on that page, the results do not include the required preloads (respectively from Template:ORA Resources and Template:ORA Activities). The sub-pages /Resources and /Activities are blank.

Will be grateful for any help.

Thanks - Ktucker 15:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to blog

Hi people. Let me invite you to interact on my blog, which is located here: User:Juan/Blog.--Juan 16:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please protect Moulton's page indefinitely, delete needed

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