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[edit] Gay couples in church

I was attending my very conservative Catholic church (in the US) the other day when the pastor asked those celebrating a wedding anniversary that month to stand and be recognized. A dozen couples stood up including two women holding hands. They received the "blessing" of the congregation along with everyone else. While "welcome" is hardly the proper term for Catholic and most conservative churches, they are normally not going to be asked to leave. Student7 (talk) 12:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations in Unitarian Universalism section

I'm crap at citations, so I haven't included any in the UU section I just did. Sorry 'bout that. Some that might be interesting:

http://www.cuc.ca/queer/ - Has notes on the intervenor status of the CUC Homosexuality_and_Unitarian_Universalism has other notes that might be relevant to link to.

I didn't want to focus on anything in particular since UUism doesn't have specific guidelines except being welcoming and not discriminating against consensual sexual practices. Any help in representing that clearly is welcome. jbailey (talk) 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Catechism references

Well, I messed them the attempt at footnoting. But as I was looking around, stumbled across this one which is way more pointed than the ones that were supposed to be referenced:

" 2390 - In a so-called free union, a man and a woman refuse to give juridical and public form to a liaison involving sexual intimacy.

The expression "free union" is fallacious: what can "union" mean when the partners make no commitment to one another, each exhibiting a lack of trust in the other, in himself, or in the future?

The expression covers a number of different situations: concubinage, rejection of marriage as such, or inability to make long-term commitments.183 All these situations offend against the dignity of marriage; they destroy the very idea of the family; they weaken the sense of fidelity. They are contrary to the moral law. The sexual act must take place exclusively within marriage. Outside of marriage it always constitutes a grave sin and excludes one from sacramental communion."

This may not be the specific issue that was addressed but seems to indicate that the situation is not quite so minor, as interpreted by the church, as the editor was suggesting.Student7 (talk) 22:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you were refering to this editor. However, I was not suggesting that the described situation was "minor". I have the personal opinion that the Catholic Church takes pre-marital sex very seriously, and counsels against it. It is, as cited, mentioned in the detail in the Catechism. The point I AM making is that we editors in Wikipedia need to remain faithful to the citations.

There are a variety of opinions on the issue, from people who believe that any form of sexual contact before marriage and outside of marriage is a form of lust, and therefore a capital sin. Some of these people also believe that sex is not for pleasure or enjoyment, but only for procreation. The other end of the spectrum are people who believe that the Church can only act to give guidance, and that although frowned upon by the church, that the act of pre-marital sex a special gift from God. Why argue, or choose? As the Catholic Church has clear guidance of the Catechism, it should be quoted, and interpretations should be left out of the article. If the Catechism says "disordered" or "Gravely Contrary", then the article should say that, and not "sinful", or some other adjective. In this case, the Catechism describes fornication as "gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality". Atom (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the paraphrasing from proper sources. The quote above says "..always constitutes a grave sin.." (not necessarily my opinion, but it is the quote) Student7 (talk) 12:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, my opinion on the matter isn't important either. I just want the article to be true to the topic. I quoted one part of the catechism correctly. If someone wants to quote a different part of the Cathecism, I am fine with that. Atom (talk) 15:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I woud agree that where there is an authoratative source, the article language should stick close to the source. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 21:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)