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Contents

1 FA drive 2 Introduction 3 Definition 4 Disambiguaton 5 Removing Disambiguation Proposal TEMPLATE 6 Discussion on 'mergefrom Elements of plot
6.1 VOTE on 'mergefrom Elements of plot
7 Title 8 Plot Structure? 9 Plot and what it is 10 Plot of historical events

[edit] FA drive

Two obvious things that need fixing (please feel free to expand)-- 1. The lead. sounds absoloutely unprofessional and does not give a good summary of the article. 2. Small sections like Subplot and Suspension of Disbelief need major expansion. Bardofcornish (talk) 02:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

It would be more consistent with other articles if this article began with a summary/definition of what a plot is. I can see that it is difficult to do, which is why I have not attempted to do it myself--NicholasJones 21:17, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Definition

I think that the definition of plot is not accurate, because it doesn't give the necessary information to understand the term properly. Moreover, the same word, "plot", is used in the definition, basically incorrect when explaining terms in any definition. On the other hand, I think it is important to provide a disambiguation page in order to extend the word definition to all the other possible subjects and meanings that are not directly related to literary/artistic uses of the word. csantama 08:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC) Also, "mood" is definitely not an element of plot, which is strictly who-what-when-where-why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.61.63 (talk) 16:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguaton

I think the 'Other Meanings' section should be changed to a disambiguation and the rest changed to Plot (Fiction). However, I have no idea how to do this. Could someone else do this? Bobguy7 00:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Disambiguation Proposal TEMPLATE

Due to the long lead time and null result, I'm removing the TEMPLATE from Plot at this time.

If someone feels strongly on this, considering the little attention and few arguements listed here, I submit that you can reassert the template (I'll just comment it out) and that you would be well advised to then submit it to peer review or another RFC forum to give it better visibility. Letting such notices sit on an article for such a long time is contraindicated. Best wishes, FrankB 19:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
"long lead time and null result"?? "Letting such notices sit on an article for such a long time is contraindicated"? Oh, please. That's ridiculous. We have a Template:Cleanup-date simply to sort articles which have been marked as needed attention by how many months they've been waiting for someone who sees how to do it. And the notice has been on this one less than a month and you're saying "well, sure, nothing that was wrong with the article has actually been fixed, but God knows we can't let the notice stay on there so long! It's much better to have this page serve as a discourse on plot in the narrative sense and also serve as a disambiguation page for data plotting, cemetary plots, garden plots, conspiracy plots and something the hell or other about epistemological historian Paul Veyne!" I'm restoring the notice. While I'm at it, I'm also removing the sandbox vandalism that you saved on top of. Yeah. I really believe you paid a lot of attention to this. -- Antaeus Feldspar 04:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Disagree. I personally don't agree that the article title should be split into a disambig page, as it is generic to and characteristic of most works in all forms of fiction. That an article is concise and short does not mean it is useless. I'll see what I can do to beef up the introduction and expand it some, but it may take a few days, so I'll add it to my TO-DO list. Agree. There should be a disambig page. Stiles 03:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Agree. There should be a disambig page. ZachsMind 20:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC) Disagree. There should be no disambig page, this page is a top level article which has been split per WP:SS and Wikipedia:Article series. There is nothing to disambiguate between, since the concept is the same, and Wikipedia should define that core concept. Hiding Talk 08:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree. As far as I can see, a disambig page could list three meanings of plot:
Plot as a system of incidents: As described in section one of this article. Plot as small piece of land (e.g., on a cemetry, in a garden). I cannot imagine what should go into a whole article about this. Plot as a graphical representation: Ground plan, map (e.g., of one or more plots in the second sense); drawn graphical representation of data. See section two, which already somewhat resembles a disambig list in itself.
I propose to split this article into Plot (with section one remaining here) and Plot (disambiguation), listing the other meanings with appropriate links as done in the rest of this article.--TowerDragon 23:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Disambiguate. User:TowerDragon's suggestion is better than nothing, but I think the disambiguation page should be plot & that this page be moved to plot (narrative) or plot (fiction). I am unconvinced that the other forms of "plot" form such a minority that most people who search for "plot" would expect a page on literature. It is distasteful that the half dozen alternative meanings of the word appear directly in this article. --Karnesky 00:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on 'mergefrom Elements of plot

whats a disambugation page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.222.123 (talk) 04:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] VOTE on 'mergefrom Elements of plot

Disagree— both have a lot of expansion possibilities, though some overlap will result. FrankB 21:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC) Agree. Should be merged. Stiles 03:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)* Agree Same as Stiles. --Alexie 05:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Can we please change the title to "Plot Elements"? It's shorter and easier on my mind when I have to search for plot elements.

plot, what is it really? i mean the defenition should be changed right? well lets say that you are to write a two sentance plot of a 400 page book. can you do it? improbible. right? thats what i have to do and i totally don't know how. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! -maja s.

[edit] Plot Structure?

Where it is titled "beginnning, middle, and end" perhaps we should use more appropiate wording. For example, using these words, in this order: Exposition, Rising action ,Climax (turning point),Falling action, Resolution


HELL! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.211.127 (talk) 10:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot and what it is

PLot is your mommy's and daddy's that are dumb

Lots of ideas that are not plot 84.16.123.194 (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot of historical events

This citation reminds me of another word. Perhaps he ment the context by this summ. of teh plot? 84.16.123.194 (talk) 23:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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