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[edit] YouTube

Would someone please put some Parkour videos or links on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.170.255 (talk) 20:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

No per external links guideline. Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 15:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

From external links guideline "Linking to YouTube, Google Video, and similar sites: There is no blanket ban on linking to these sites as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (which would be infrequent). See also Wikipedia:Copyrights for the prohibition on linking to pages that violate copyrights." Still I don’t think adding links to parkour videos would improve the article. --S.dedalus (talk) 23:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I have put some pro vids [www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7J9makpr4k here]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Easyaspie (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History section lacks reliable sources

Complete bullshit. The history especially lacks reliable sources. Although it's typical for this website, it's still irritating to find this anywhere on google. And what better way to tell the world that you are a biased towards the French than by describing the English as "Anglo-Saxon". Please tell me why I should believe anything written here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.205.69 (talk) 10:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I can understand that it is hard to find better sources for this article. But Hebert really influenced military training in France and other countries. Please cite sources if you believe otherwise. If you do not like Wikipedia get out here and find a better source for a "unbiased history of parkour". Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 06:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Carlosguitar, as you have pointed out innumerable times the burden of proof is one the person who ads material to an article. It does seem that there is a lot about Hébert, possibly undue wait. --S.dedalus (talk) 04:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

*sigh* I read correct?! Did you said that Hébert not influenced parkour and should be removed from history section? Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 05:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I’m saying the very large section on him may be undue wait. At the very least it leans far too heavily on two sources. --S.dedalus (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Well you need to do a better research about David Belle, Raymond Belle, Sébastien Foucan and Yamakasi traceurs before talking about Hébert as undue weight. History section needs to be expanded, I will do it later. Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 03:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

^{[citation needed]} --S.dedalus (talk) 01:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] David Belle

Is he the founder or not? The photo caption states that he is but his wiki page states that he isnt! 199.191.74.20 (talk) 20:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

This was recently changed by a user on 7 March 2008, but is already fixed. Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 01:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Raymond Belle

"At age 19, his unique physical fitness and willingness allowed him to serve at Paris' regiment of sapeurs-pompiers" How was his physical fitness unique? Should we change this? Doesn't seem objective analysis if there isn't something to back it up. Muhvi 23:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC+2)

I changed a bit this sentence, I think it is better now. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 04:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sébastien Foucan

Sébastien Foucan (born May 24, 1974 in Paris, France) is one the founders of free running. He created the sport along with his friends including David Belle. He has been influenced by the art of parkour and is generally considered to be a "second generation" founder of parkour along with David Belle. He is well known as an ambassador for free running to many countries and is generally considered to represent free running. Well known for his views on the philosophy behind free running, he also stresses the need for proper training in the basics of free running, not only for safety, but also to maintain the positive appearance of the activity in the public eye.

He came to prominence in the United Kingdom after the showing of Mike Christie's Jump London documentary on Channel 4 in September 2003, and the subsequent documentary Jump Britain. In addition to leading these programs, Sébastien also appears as Mollaka in the 21st James Bond film, Casino Royale.[1] He spent three months in the Bahamas filming his role in the movie. A stunt double was used for portions of the opening chase scene.[2] Besides this, Sébastien appears in the music video for Madonna's 2005 single, Hung Up.

Foucan helped K-Swiss develop the Ariake, the first free running and parkour shoe in a line of 5 models. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.29.46 (talk) 14:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It's freerunning not free running. This will be fixed. Tyciol (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of section

The "Activism" section relies entirely on two chat room threads for sources. Per WP:SPS these sources are not acceptable. Unless better sources can be found establishing the notability of these events the section should be removed. --S.dedalus (talk) 05:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to remove, I also see no WP:WEIGHT for this section. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 00:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merely opinion

"The issue of "proper technique" is one mainly thought up in the UK and US. Many UK and US traceurs attempt to develop a "proper technique" in contrast to their French counterparts who do not focus on the technique but rather the idea behind it." THIS IS MERELY OPINION AND IS BASED ON NO FACT WHAT SO EVER ... it should be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by J05HYYY (talk • contribs)

Y Done Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 19:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not opinion, it's a fact. You'll never see the original traceurs talk about "proper technique". Perhaps if "UK and US" were omitted from the statement, it would be ok for the article. Noxteryn (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, we need a source to say it and see how is its reliability. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 05:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It IS opinion, and has no sense! "You'll never see the original traceurs talk about proper technique"?? WTF dude! I've personally trained with David Belle and goddamn he did care a lot about technique, but they usually don't talk about it, because they DO care a lot more about physical conditioning that technical training, in France you MUST train at least two years of only physical conditioning before doing any actual jumps (I mean, when you train with people like Majestic Force), did you know? But in america or in england they obviously just give lessons about technical training, because it's not like they have all the time they do in France! (and for the references of my statement of training with Belle, I'm from the peruvian parkour association, the reference of his visit is in our page, i have a photo with him, his autograph, and many other proves, if you don't believe in my word, then i can create an account just for tha sake of my contribution u.u)... --216.244.180.129 (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Point-to-point walks

The Theodore Roosevelt citation is interesting, but "point-to-point walks" can be many thing, such as natural method or obstacle coursing. Unless a source is provided linking Roosevelt to parkour, this citation is better represented on Georges Hébert, obstacle course, fitness trail or other article. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 19:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not signing what i said previously, but i´m new to wikipedia. 89.180.218.191 (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Martial Art?

The reference that supposedly likens parkour to a martial art doesn't really say that. Is it just me, or is that particular line somewhat misleading? If it's the writer's opinion, it should probably be removed. If it is a citation, then another link should be provided.punga —Preceding comment was added at 04:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

There are lots of comparison of martial arts with parkour. I have provided a reference for it. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 15:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "l'art du déplacement" does not translate directly to "the art of displacement"

This should translate to "the art of movement" This is just a word by word translation, but "déplacement" does not mean the exact same as "displacement." http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/dictionary/ says: "déplacement: movement; displacement; trip, travel" Also, many of the terms on that page translate déplacement as movement. Dictionary.com says displacement means: "the state of being displaced or the amount or degree to which something is displaced. " where displace means:

Displacement, the English term is obviously used in a technical sense and does not casually refer to "movement," unlike the French "déplacement," which can refer to displacement or movement, and if we are going to choose between the two movement is definitely the appropriate choice. Obviously the words are related but "déplacement" commonly refers to movement in French, where "displacement" is a more specific English term to describe an objects position. "Art of displacement" does not make sense in English, honestly. Sockigami (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

This is not an issue to me, the terms movement and displacement eventually are changed on this article because there was not much discussion over it. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 00:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

OK then I'm changing it. Sockigami (talk) 19:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Philosophy POV

When reading this article I can't be help but to think that this sounds like an ad. I can't really pin it down to one sentence. But I feel the articles perspective needs to be a little further away from parkour practitioners and their (alleged or not) philosophy.

84.137.63.232 (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I strongly agree with you. This article needs a more neutral and informative point of view. It's not that hard. It's the subjective wording that annoys.  Marlith (Talk) 

I agree that Philosophy section needs work, but you can copy-edit instead of adding NPOV tag. Be WP:BOLD. Carlosguitar ^{(Yes Executor?)} 12:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree as well. The problem may be that this article is probably edited mostly by traceurs, who, for all there good intentions, may not be at their most neutral when editing this article. --S.dedalus (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that the philosophy section must be either totally rewritten or removed for the time being. --S.dedalus (talk) 20:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The philosophy section does actually mention the philosophy of parkour now, which is an improvement over previous versions, but it is still a mess. Much like the rest of the article. I think it should be left until someone has the time to re-write it properly. Feraess (talk) 23:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Awful article about an interesting sport. In Wiki-speak "reads like an ad" is appropriate; more generally, this whole article is a jargony fanboy rhapsody. Especially irritating is all of the "philosophy" stuff, which desperately tries to make "smooth running, jumping and swinging" sound like a religious experience. 154.20.135.220 (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Weasel Words"

I strongly suggest that before any of you red flag a section as being written like an advertisement you should realize that quotes ar subject to such. One cannot label an article as objective on account of what it's quotes say (207.210.46.22 (talk) 19:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC))

That’s not the primary reason the philosophy section is so bad. That section is currently tagged because it contains few sources, uses TOO MANY quotes and inappropriate quotes, includes vague terms such as “it is often said†which are known as “weasel words†on Wikipedia, and is generally written in a manner which markets the subject at the expense of impartiality. --S.dedalus (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)