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[edit] First Year

Is it possible to go for an internship or do a project after completing first year in engineering?If so,could you please mention the opportunities available?Curieous 19:35, 14 October 2007

[edit] Meaning?

What does this mean: "Due to strict labor laws, European internships, though mostly unpaid, are popular among non-Europeans to gain international exposure on one's resume and for foreign language improvement." Are the European internships popular because of strict labor laws (that's how it reads)? Perhaps the intent was to say that due to strict labor laws European internships are mostly unpaid but are popular ....etc

== management internships==

In management internships are often the office job as understood by most of the MBAs.In practical sense its the application of your knowledge relation to what you have learnt in your classes. Some free online sites like www.internsindia.com, are providing you a desired internships.The flexibility they provide also include to choose your location,duration,secor of the project with best remuneration. They give you freedom to choose your own career path. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Internsindia (talk • contribs) 09:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Medical intern

The dictionary definition of the word relates to the medical profession. That's the first definition of the word that I learned and that needs to be mentioned. -Amit (67.22.216.150)

I made a separate page about interns in medicine, so I simplified the information here. Some of it was not completely accurate. --DocJohnny 13:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this page could still state more clearly that a medical internship is something wholly different. Feeeshboy 20:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medical internship In Nepal

Internship Nepal program http://www.internshipnepal.com is an initiative to facilitate media, education, health, culture, community development, environment, social-sector and Human rights internship to foreign students/professionals in Nepal.

We are eager to provide opportunities to your students. Internship Nepal has offered its services to a number of interns, most of them from USA, till date.

Within a short period of time, the initiative has earned wider popularity. During this short time, we have been able to present ourselves as a leading organization facilitating media internship in Nepal, although we also facilitate internship in education and other sectors.

The organization provides full cultural emersion for the curious students interested in enriching their educational experience through overseas training/exposure. Interns are given lodging with trusted Nepali families in both the urban and rural environment.

Major Programs: 

Health/Medical internship Program: Medical/nursing students will work at government and private teaching hospitals and clinics.

Journalism/Photojournalsim Program: Students work at national dailies and magazines as intern (Running since last two years. Most students so far are from US.)

Cultural program: This is one of our new programs. In this program, students live with different ethnic communities during their internship period and learn about the culture, lifestyle, language, festivals of diverse culture and people.

Teaching program: Student under this program live in a certain village or town and teach at local schools, monasteries or orphanage. Placement is fixed by mutual arrangement and correspondence.

Human rights research program: Students shall work at Human Rights related NGOs or INGO's for few weeks to study human rights issues and situation in Nepal, and pursue short-term research on relevant issues in our coordination.

[edit] Why?

Could someone explain why companies offer paid internships? What do they benefit from the relationship? Is there some sort of tax relief or donation/grant eligibility they gain? Surely throwing even minimum wage into a pit that does not benefit the company is not of itself worthwhile. 149.159.92.175 07:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Internships do benefit the company. They're getting labor for cheap and often free. Additionally, if you're good at your job and they like how you work they can hire you.Cereal box conspiracy 17:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I second. This needs to be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.164.39 (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms

It has been argued that unpaid internships are abusive, since 1) in the US, most states can’t condition paid employment on employment; 2) interns are often used for menial tasks; and 3) they really don’t learn that much, anyway.

Likewise, since students are often given academic credit for them, some have argued that the credit is being given (and the student is charged) for performing work that a paid-employee would do.

[edit] Why?

[edit] Page organization

What's wrong with this page, is it maintained by interns? --Wingzerotype 17:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USA-centric

Too much concentration on Intern issues only relevant to USA residents Roidroid 05:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For-profit volunteering

"However, there is no such thing as a "volunteer" who works for a for-profit corporation." What is your source for this information?

In some states it is illegal, and this is a rather complex issue, which probably should go in a separate "criticism" section.68.33.203.109

[edit] "See Also" section

Why does the see also section direct the reader towards slavery? Is there something implied here? The link to indentured servant also seems rather suggestive and subjective. Perhaps this section could be revised (or at least explained). 06:10, 18 December 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.150.253.69 (talk • contribs)

It's a joke, bordering on vandalism. I've removed the first wikilink before, and I just did again, and removed the second as well. I'd appreciate other editors looking out for further (re)postings of this; please delete on sight. John Broughton | Talk 20:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a joke, but it is worth exploring, since the use of an in tern's free labor in some circumstances violates state labor laws. Also, interns are usually not protected by anti-discrimination laws.68.33.203.109

[edit] Stages section?

The information in the 'stages' section seems irrelevant, non-universal, and is probably taken straight from the book that is cited (I didn't check). Maybe it should be removed?141.232.1.1 17:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted. It was completely out of place. Papercrab 22:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] College Works Painting

This section reads like an advert and doesn't really seem to add anything. Is there any reason to keep it? If not I'll delete. Fysidiko (talk) 12:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The information adds little to the article, and disrupts the flow of the information before and after. The rhetorical nature of the last paragraph almost certainly makes it an intentional advertisement. Recommended for deletion. Ericw06 (talk) 05:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monica Lewinski

Perhaps it's worth mentioning that the word "intern" first entered into popular use in many countries (including the UK) after news broke of the Monica Lewinski scandal. SeeSharp (talk) 16:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Dagsværk

I've now again removed some POV argumentative statements, obviously ideologically opposed to the Danish "Operation Dagsværk". I'm not sure this section is at all relevant to an article about interns, but my main reason to remove it is that is clearly is not supported by the source cited. Unfortunately, I stated last time that the source was dead; I see now that this is not the case. (I checked it once yesterday and got a "file not found" or some other error message, and once again today and this time actually got the article in question.) However, neither this aritcle nor the new source added today supports the argumentative statements about a "minor fraction" participating - they say the participation has declined, and speculate about the reasons, but do not say anything about what fraction participates. If the material is reintroduced in an NPOV way, a less argumentative form, and in agreement with the sources, I will not object.--Noe (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

According to the department of education there is about 73,000 students in the normal High school (Almengymnasiale uddannelser 2002-2005, The department of Education), but this extremist project does also rekrut its volunteers from other type of schools offering education on High School level or workspace targeted education, so catchment area are higher which concludes that 24.000 is a small fraction of the total number of students.

As for the reason for the lowering of the number one of the article state that the management for the movement did issue a press release that led the public and the student to believe that they supported crime. Another reason could be that the cutbacks in early retirement and the wellknown fact that the majority of refugees entering Denmark are economic refugees, which have removed all kind of surplus in the population to even think about foreign problems, but while it is public knowledge a written source is hard to find. If I don't get a response in 6 hours, I will revert the changes Covergaard (talk) 07:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Calling OD "extremist" would require a source. And about 30% is not a minor fraction, it is a large minority. You have to weigh your words more carefully, and you have to source your conclusions, not just your arguments, otherwise you are commiting WP:SYN.--Noe (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

As for what to call them, please see: Drop OD. This website is created by the youth organization of one of the parties in present government of Denmark, which of course has a chairwoman putting law and order first, so perhaps that could consider the website a little POV. As for the organization themselves wanting to be extreme see this newspaper article - Ja gu er vi politiske, Arbejderen. Another organization workering for charity calls "Dagsværk" a scam. See: Stigende kritik af Dagsvaerk, The newpaper Information. Other political youth organizations do also support the criticism Politiske ungdomsorganisationer raser mod Dagsværk, Berlingske Tidende. I think that the basis for calling them extreme are well-founded.

As for the partipation being "minor" I have to remind you that the students working for the operation are rekruted not only from High Schools but as earlier stated also from other school on the same level. Unfortunately I dont know how many of Danish youth, who are enrolled in such schools at the present time, but I will return when I have researched it. Covergaard (talk) 10:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot this article made by some students mentioning their previous support for Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. See: Operation Dagsværk støtter terror. Covergaard (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In a wikipedia article about OD, outlining this controversy would be relevant.

In an article about interns, we need either a brief NPOV version, or nothing at all.

The POV of the people organizing OD is as relevant as yours, so if you write anything they would disagree with, you are on a wrong track. E.g., you can write that it is contested (they would have to agree with that), or that a named person or group describes it as a scam (sourced), but not that it is a scam.

As for the "minor fraction", it is my impression that it is indeed a very minor fraction in HF, HTX, HHF etc., but a large minority from STX (i.e. from what is traditionally called "gymnasium" in Denmark). Anyway, your data relates specifically to 2007. In 2006, participation was about 50% higher, and we do not know about 2008 yet.

But what has all this got to do with interns?--Noe (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

OD came into this section because it one of the only kind of internships we have in Denmark. Supporting the trade unions I know that every single agreement when unpaid jobs appear is investigated so the use of interns do not end up resulting in a higher level of unemployment. That is also with great concern when we are talking about OD. But in the interest of this article maybe there shouldn't anything about OD at all. As things are people tend to care more for problems in the community rather than problems in the third world where 99.5 % of all aid going to bribe officials anyway.

I guess we should remove the entire section about OD and settle with mention how internship generally are watched by trade unions and the new practical rules by the department of education punish internships for charity organizations Covergaard (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC).

Your sugestion sounds OK to me.--Noe (talk) 08:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

So done Covergaard (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basis for an independent article - Operation Day's work ?

We agreed on removing this chapter in the article, because it was impossible to find the right way to write it and because it is not quiet covered by the term Intern:

Sources:

In the meantime news article about the latest development have appeared:

Against creating such an article speaks that the development shows that this project from the ages of the Cold War are on the way out and would be a historical article.

Should we create an indenpendent article about this subject? Covergaard (talk) 04:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think an independent NPOV article would be good.--Noe (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The above statement is as NPOV as it can get. Remember the original statement:

High school students can choose to participate in a one day working experience called "Operation Dagsværk" (Day’s Work). (1) The instructions from the department of Education specifically point out that no student can be forced to attend this claimed charity. The pay for their work goes to a - sometimes controversial - chosen project in a third world country. Only a minor fraction of Danish students participate in this event, mainly because most Danish people see supporting third world countries as something the population has already paid for in taxes. As a result, most students stay in school (3). Due to a recent agreement with the Danish Ministry of Education the students are no longer considered to be truant during this day (2)

3) Elever svigter Operation Dagsværk (The students desert Operation Dagsvaerk), Denmarks Radio, November 7 2007

But I feel that the article would be a stub only. I have found an additional source

c) Operation slapsvans, by 04:00 Af IVAR JUEL NORDENTOFT, Fyens, October 7 2008
d) Gymnasieelever dropper hjælpearbejde, by RUNE F.B. KRISTENSEN, CHRISTINE HYLDAL OG SIMON STAUN, Fyens, October 6 2008

But regardless of the latest positive developement, which we of course have a NPOV stand on, we must ask ourselves if there is enough contents for an independent article. Covergaard (talk) 08:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)