Drell’s Descants

I realize that this is simply a news report from a source that has not been entirely accurate all the time, so, it should give me pause in commenting.

Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick….

OK, several seconds pause having passed, I will respond that this report leaves me profoundly saddened.

IF it is true and IF it outlines +Cantaur’s intended course of action, then Lambeth will be a colourless convocation indeed.

With Africans comprising well over 50% of Anglicans, the bulk of African bishops will not now be in attendance.

So, draw the lines and chose your side.

Comment by Philip G — 6/28/2007 @ 6:03 pm

Philip
You don’t get it
With Africans comprising well over 50% of Anglicans, the bulk of African bishops will not now be in attendance.

Africans comprise about 80% of Anglicans - and the other 20% are in Asia - the CoE, and all the rest of the white provinces are less than 5% of the church worldwide!

But the main point is that all the largest African provinces aren’t coming anyway. the split the schism, isn’t something that’s about to start: we are looking for the END of it, not the beginning! If you read the Road to Lambeth and the Third Trumpet (or even the CoE Covenant) you’ll see the Global South is almost as concerned with the CoE as it is with ECUSA! There is absolutely no possible resolution of the problems inside the US - and non in the wider communion that leaves the likes of KJS+, Rowan Williams, Susan Russel, Jeffrey John and many more still employed and still part of the church - and there never was going to be!

the only real question now is: how long till the covenant folks make their decisive break with the CoE?

Comment by Sinner — 6/28/2007 @ 6:48 pm

Well, South Africa will be there..as least some color

Comment by Mad Potter — 6/28/2007 @ 7:27 pm

Might I add that it is important to note the notice to not attend Lambeth from the provinces in Africa came BEFORE this news article re: +Gene maybe being in the Lambeth environs?

Comment by Rob Eaton+ — 6/29/2007 @ 12:30 am

Re: #3,

Yes, the quintessential “Oreos.” They’ll just provide a little “blackface” for a small liberal garden party.

Comment by William Tighe — 6/29/2007 @ 5:58 am

William, This is not about race or color, it is about culture. The rift existed before +Robinson’s consecration, years before. They, the GS, said they would not attend Lambeth if TEC was invited. Well, not inviting TEC was not going to happen. Anyway, the language from the South expanded to TEC and “like minded provincesâ€. It would seem that if the CoE was invited, the South would not show up.

This is so simple. The Northern Church has not chosen to “walk aloneâ€, it is the South that has left the party. While conservatives in the Northern Church wail about staying in communion with Canterbury, the South is planning their own party, to heck with Canterbury.

Brad…did you write this from yesterday…â€A new communion of Anglican Churches may emerge from the present situation (indeed, it seems likely at this point), a communion centered in those vibrant Churches of the Global South, but without the centripetal force of communion with the ancient See of Canterbury I fear that the fissiparous nature of Anglican protestantism will assert itself, and we will see fractures between Churches and groups in that new communion on theological party lines.â€â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..

I could not agree more…..will we end up with two communions, the AC and the Southern AC, or the AC, and a bunch of “continuing Anglican churches�

So the simple points…The rift started years ago, it is as much cultural as theological (as culture influences theology), and there is nothing the Northern Church can do to fix it, because there is nothing the Northern Church did to cause it.

Comment by Mad Potter — 6/29/2007 @ 7:22 am

Potter,your rebuke of Dr. Tighe is disingenious given your own ‘a little color’ remark.
From what I’ve seen not only in your own remark but in numerous
instances of comments referring to the African churches the reappraising lobby has been at worst racist and slanderous
and at best paternalistic and dismissive.

Comment by Padraic — 6/29/2007 @ 9:57 am

Pad….first, my little color comment is a direct response to “will be a colourless convocation indeed.” in Philip’s comment. And then we are supposed to take as a serious comment something about “the quintessential “Oreos. that’s what I was responding to. Then you want to take me to task for what some unnamed person in the “reappraising lobby” said at some time or the other?

It’s as if we live in a vacuum where you only hear what you want to and only retain what suits your position….the difference in the cultures has been widly written about and discussed. It’s not my original thought…look it up.

Comment by Mad Potter — 6/29/2007 @ 11:52 am

Padraic, I should have added…. and you’r not calling “They’ll just provide a little “blackface— “at worst racist and slanderous
and at best paternalistic and dismissive.”?

Somehow, I don’t think the Province of South Africa thinks of themselves in that light.

Comment by Mad Potter — 6/29/2007 @ 1:51 pm

Mad Potter & all ,,, , This is not about race or color, it is about culture
It should not be about race or colour - that is one thing even liberals and Christians agree on: in christ their is no jew or gentile etc etc etc

But because the liberals are racists, because they have ignored, despised, and rejected ever single thing the Africans and Asian churches have said it is clearly about race and colour

As a group, the liberals are racist.

Comment by Sinner — 6/29/2007 @ 8:13 pm