J. Lee Grady asked this question on 7-9-08?
Can We Avoid a Charismatic Civil War?
It should have been asked before 6-23-08 when Bentley got ‘commissioned’. The Christian Civil War was planned out since the early 1990’s but began that fateful evening when the first shot was fired by the ‘Revival Alliance’ consisting of members from C. Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic Reformation, the Toronto Blessing People, the ‘revivalists’ of the Elijah List, and the descendants of the Kansas City Prophet movement.
Very interesting to consider the following parallels between the Civil War and this current one:
1. The Civil War was started by the ones who were in rebellion against the established order, who for years had been railing against the powers-that-be, because the rebellion among other things wanted their putting human beings in bondage [in a servile position] to continue on and to expand. They wanted to keep on defiantly doing their thing in the face of authority.
Quote from this blog:
If you look at the history of many of the people associated with the Lakeland revival, you will notice that some of them were either kicked out the Vineyard or left the Vineyard movement over supporting those who were kicked out of the Vineyard. If you research the history of The Kansas City movement and Toronto, you will notice that the Vineyard Church led by John Wimber at the time tried to bring balance and correction into both the Kansas City movement and later on the Toronto Blessing to the point where both movements ended up disagreeing to the point from schism and separation to where the Vineyard could ‘go on with God’ and Toronto (or Kansas City) could in their viewpoint ‘go on with God’.
The Civil War represented doing your own thing with no consideration to its effect on the whole.
2. The Civil War, although begun by the rebellion, was blamed on the recognized order. Those who seceded were laying blame at the feet of the establishment, but despite all their attempts to blame others, it was they themselves who first separated, then second warred for their own recognized legitimized status. They began the attack, then proceeded to blame it on someone else.
3. The rebellion, rather than leave the country to begin its own “thing” [as the predecessors did who broke from England] rather decided to try to cause problems within the ranks, enjoy the land privileges, keep the local governments, basically refuse to move to another country, or at the very least go out west and pioneer. They wanted the easy way out - to do it within already-established borders. In addition, they wanted to steal new territories and convert them to the Confederate way of thinking. They didn’t want to start a new country; they wanted to keep the territory they “owned” and basically convert it to a Confederate way of doing things - their own system, their own money, their own governments, their own statutes, and their own anything else which would effectively let them have their own system of society without having to pay the price of pioneering. Others had laid the foundation; they viewed it as theirs to thieve and build upon.
4. The rebellion viewed any order and discipline brought to bear upon them as invasion and intrusion, and violently opposed it.
5. The faction who began this war ended up being the ones who would eventually lose it, and suffer the penalties of having caused such division, chaos, and destruction, because God would not favor the spirit of rebellion against properly-established authority. Satan learned this very early on when he issued the 5 “I wills” in Isaiah 14.
He quickly found himself in Chapter 14 bankruptcy, and those leading this rebellion might find themselves in it as well.
Here’s the REAL reason you can’t have honest discussions with Todd Bentley supporters:
Because anything you question that he does = “You hate Todd Bentley”
People are too immature and simple to understand that, yes, a person can question a minister of God without hating said minister of God. It’s too easy and too shallow and too surface to just say “you are full of hate”, without having to exercise a sophisticated and adult exercise of logic to see that having questions is NOT tantamount to hating a person.
I have yet to see anyone manifest hatred toward Todd Bentley.
But contrariwise, every day I see Bentley’s supporters manifest rank stupidity when they scream “you hate Todd” just because a person does not accept his foolishness hook, line, and sinker.
Be honest:
Have you ever truly seen hate toward Todd Bentley?
I didn’t think so.
Quit telling these lies and grow up. We’re adults. This idiocy does not become us.